Any suggestions? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,151910,151910#msg-151910 Tue, 18 Jun 2013 17:58:04 -0500 Phorum 5.2.15a http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,151910,152033#msg-152033 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,151910,152033#msg-152033 Michael™ General Discussion Fri, 23 Oct 2009 06:39:22 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,151910,152022#msg-152022 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,151910,152022#msg-152022 Dillon_Gourley General Discussion Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:20:56 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,151910,151934#msg-151934 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,151910,151934#msg-151934 -------------------------------------------------------
> If you respect your fellow disc golfers there
> should never be any fights.


I agree with that Lex, but it has to be mutual. You can't give respect if you aren't given any... It goes both ways.]]> foolsarewe General Discussion Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:16:42 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,151910,151933#msg-151933 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,151910,151933#msg-151933 Lex General Discussion Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:14:57 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,151910,151931#msg-151931 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,151910,151931#msg-151931 -------------------------------------------------------
> No, I have no intentions of changing anything in
> Lafayette as far as course design goes. This was
> created as an oppurtunity for people to get an
> idea of the best way to implement course design
> with the least amount of drama (see frzbman's
> post.) If I am not mistaken, Donovan, you helped
> with the PA redesign that happened earlier this
> year. I don't remember hearing a single disc
> golfer complaining about it. I think that was the
> proper way to handle it.


Well, I think the biggest reason there wasn't much complaining by the locals is because people had been saying that the back 9 over at PA needed to be revamped, so to speak, ever since it was put in the ground. It is my understanding that the back 9 was sort of rushed as far as designing is concerned. So, in that respect, the drama was kept at a minumum. The front 9 wasn't touched (except for the repositioning of 9's basket) and that's because we all agreed that there was nothing wrong with the front. It's the back 9 where the land (elevations and natural fairways) was not used to it's potential.

But there was a long period of time (months) where there was just "talk" of a redesign. And in fact, I can't say that there was ever a club meeting just to discuss a new layout or present ideas of a new layout. (not that I recall anyways) And that's not to say that no one wanted to go out there and do the work. We have plenty of volunteers that consistently go out of their way to do whatever is necessary to make our courses what they are today and we should be very thankful for that.

But I'll tell you this... There were a select few who had the ideas for the new holes and I guess you can say we trusted them. At that point, I think we were all just ready to play some new holes and see some changes out at PA. But when the time came to go out there and set in new posts and mark off tee boxes and all that jazz, there were no altercations, no bickering, and no objections to what was going on. There were more than enough people out there helping and it went up in no time. I've, to this day, heard absolutely no complaints about the new layout. To my knowledge just about everyone was very satisfied.]]> foolsarewe General Discussion Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:29:07 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,151910,151929#msg-151929 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,151910,151929#msg-151929 Lex General Discussion Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:37:22 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,151910,151926#msg-151926 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,151910,151926#msg-151926 Rinkelstein General Discussion Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:13:20 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,151910,151924#msg-151924 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,151910,151924#msg-151924 -------------------------------------------------------
> League meetings, this forum, and then schedule a
> "tryout" (set up temp baskets and actually see how
> the course flows), more discussing, and then set
> up a work day and let everyone who wants to help
> come out and set it up.
>
> It's slow but usually everyone ends up happy.


I agree. That is the best way to do it. But what do you do if there is one person in the area that sidesteps everybody's collaborative efforts and implements changes on their own without any regard for the others?

In reference to the Paul B. post, there are about 15 people who have shown interest in the new course design...9 of these people attended a meeting to discuss ideas and proposals (others have posted thoughts on here)...after that meeting, 7 of us attended a follow-up meeting at the course to look at those ideas and see if they actually worked. At the end of that meeting, there was an 18-hole layout that everyone that was present agreed upon. One person was put in charge of putting that proposal into an electronic format and posting it publicly, which was done. The agreed-upon changes were not implemented at the time, because a formal vote that included everybody was (and is still) needed. Everyone was made aware of both meetings, and invitations to attend either or both were open to all. Still, changes have been made to the course by ONE person that did not attend either of the meetings.

I am someone who truly cares about the betterment of this sport, and I have the intention of making it a life-long endeavor. Personally, I would value any advice that would help to better this situation and my reaction to it. I'm sure that in my efforts to contribute and to communicate with others, I have made mistakes here and there. I still feel that all of my points are valid, I'm just sure that there would have been a better way to do it. If this ever happens again, it would be helpful to have better form. Like I said, any advice would be appreciated.

Thank you,
Lindsey Broome

PS: PM me if you would like...I DO read any messages that someone sends me.]]> LinzB General Discussion Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:03:37 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,151910,151923#msg-151923 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,151910,151923#msg-151923
rWc3523]]> Russ3523 General Discussion Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:44:45 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,151910,151922#msg-151922 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,151910,151922#msg-151922 foolsarewe General Discussion Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:20:00 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,151910,151920#msg-151920 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,151910,151920#msg-151920 Rinkelstein General Discussion Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:09:04 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,151910,151914#msg-151914 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,151910,151914#msg-151914
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JABBA]]> frzbman General Discussion Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:05:51 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,151910,151912#msg-151912 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,151910,151912#msg-151912
It's slow but usually everyone ends up happy.]]> Lex General Discussion Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:59:18 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,151910,151910#msg-151910 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,151910,151910#msg-151910 Rinkelstein General Discussion Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:48:21 -0500