2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st

2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st [center][b]The Double Barrel Shootout[/b] Southern National Doubles Championship [b]July 30-31, 2011 Jackson, MS[/b] Brought to you by the Judges (Jackson Union of Disc Golf Enthusiasts) [b]Tournament Directors[/b] Doug Williams 601.260.7697 Lloyd Wilkins 601.519.7422 Email info@jacksondiscgolf.org [b]Co Tournament Directors[/b] Allan Morrow 601.807.9999 Josh Price 601.946.5674 [b]Courses[/b] The Rez Brandon, MS Chautauqua Park Crystal Springs, MS Butts Park Jackson, MS [b]Registration[/b] Using PayPal (www.jacksondiscgolf.org) or Register by Mail by July 22nd to: Judges 412 Shenandoah Rd N Brandon, MS 39047 Include: Names Divisions Shirt Sizes Make Checks Payable to [i]Judges[/i] [b]NO SATURDAY REGISTRATIONS[/b] You must pre register by 8pm on Friday, July 29. [b][u]You Must Have Southern National Points to Qualify[/u][/b] [b]Entry Fees (Max 36 Teams Per Pool)[/b] Pool A Open Men, Open Women, Pro Masters, Pro Grandmasters $100 Pool B Advanced Men, Advanced Masters $80 Pool C Intermediate Men, Intermediate Women $60 [b]Players Pack[/b] The first 200 players registered will get a Tournament T-shirt FREE. In addition all Amateur players will receive a Tournament Stamped Disc. [b]Host Hotels[/b] Days Inn 106 Swinging Bridge Dr Byram, MS 39272 (601) 371 7111 Holiday Inn Express 5569 I 55 South Byram, MS 39272 (601) 346 8118 Camping Timberlake Campgrounds 143 Timberlake Dr Brandon, MS 39047 601 992 9100 or 1 877 388 Camp (2267) [b]Schedule[/b] Friday, July 29 Early Sign In @ the Rez 5 thru 8pm Saturday, July 30 Sign-ins will be held at EACH course for EACH pool 7:30 to 9am Players Meetings @ each course before each round (First meeting at 9:15am) Round 1 Start 10:15 am Round 2 Start TWO HOURS after last card is turned in from Round 1 (We will have another players meeting before the start of round 2) Scoreboards will be at your course [b]Contests and Players Party[/b] Sports Field at Butts Park End of 2nd Round @ 7:00pm to 11pm Will be team based, must be done as a team. Sunday, July 31 Players Meeting at each course @ 8:30am Scoreboards will be at your course Round 3 Start 9 am After Round 3 head back to Rez Super Safari 6 Top 3 pro teams and ties will play a Super Safari 6 round at the Rez follow the 3rd round. Scores for these holes count, they are a continuation of play. Awards immediately after Super Safari 6[/center] [b]Pools[/b] Pool A All Professional Divisions Pool B All Advanced Divisions Pool C All Amateur Divisions [b]Tee Assignments[/b] [b]The Rez[/b] All divisions will play normal-concrete tees EXCEPT Int. Women, who will play short tees as marked in the Players Program. [b]Butts Park[/b] All divisions will play normal tees EXCEPT Int. Women, who will play short tees as marked in the Players Program. [b]Crystal Springs[/b] All pro divisions will play from Pro tee pads as designated in players program and scorecard. All Advanced and Amateur divisions will play from Am pads. [b]Format[/b] [b]Saturday Morning[/b] Pool A plays Crystal Springs (Singles Team Combined) Pool B plays Butts (Best Shot) Pool C plays Rez (666)(Alt, Best, Worst) [b]Saturday Afternoon[/b] Pool A plays Butts (Best Shot) Pool B plays The Rez (666)(Alt, Best, Worst) Pool C play Crystal Springs (Singles Team Combined) [b]Sunday Morning[/b] Pool A plays The Rez (666)(Alt, Best, Worst) Pool B plays Crystal Spring (Singles Team Combined) Pool C plays Butts (Best shot) [b]Sunday Afternoon[/b] Pool A (top 3 teams including ties) plays Rez (Super Safari 6) [b]The Rez[/b] Holes 1 thru 6: Alt Shot Holes 7 thru 12: Best Shot Holes 13 thru 18: Worst Shot [b]Definitions[/b] [b]Best Shot (Butts, 666 @ the Rez)[/b] Best Shot is by far the most popular doubles format. Both players throw from each lie (starting with the tee shot), then the team chooses which of the resulting lies to continue play from, until the hole is completed. A team may take a reasonable amount of time to pick which lie they want before the 30-second play clock starts. A lie that is picked up without being marked is gone forever; the team must throw from the other lie. If the second lie is picked up, it must be replaced in accordance with PDGA rules. All lies must be marked according to PDGA rules. If the first player throws from the wrong lie, the second player may still throw from the correct lie. In case of injury or disqualification, one partner may play alone, throwing one shot at each lie (essentially playing singles). [b]Worst Shot (666 @ the Rez)[/b] Worst Shot is the most brutal of the doubles formats, and can test the patience of even the best teams. In Worst Shot, both players throw from each lie (starting with the tee shot), then the competing teams in the group choose which of the subsequent lies will be used, with the aim of making the hole as difficult as possible. The hole is completed once both team members have holed out from the same lie. The 30-second play clock begins once the opposing teams have selected the lie. A lie that is picked up without being marked must be replaced in accordance with PDGA rules. All lies must be marked according to PDGA rules. Any warning or penalty incurred by a player may be chosen to apply to the team, at the opposing teams' discretion. A team found to be giving an opposing team a better lie will be disqualified for unsportsmanlike behavior. [b]Alternate Shot (666 @ The Rez)[/b] In Alternate Shot, only one sequence of throws is made on each hole. The team selects a player to throw the tee shot at the beginning of the round. The other player then throws from the subsequent lie, and play alternates in that fashion until the round is completed. Alternate Shot is closer to a singles format, where one partner cant bail the other out. If you miss a short putt, chances are good that you'll be driving the next hole. If the wrong player on a team throws, another team must call it immediately, like a foot fault. The team receives a one-throw penalty. For any violation that requires a rethrow (stance violation, provisional throw), the same player throws. [b]Singles Team Combined (Chautauqua Park)[/b] In Singles Team Combined, both partners play each hole individually. After each hole both players combine their scores to come up with one score for that hole. Example if Player A pars the hole with a 3, and Player B double bogeyed with a 5, their combined score for that hole is an 8. With this style format, the course par will double. It will be best to keep everybodys score individually on score card them add them together at the end. Each player must tee off and play each individuals lie until both team members hole out. [b]Sponsorship[/b] All sponsors will be recognized in the tournament programs noting the sponsorship level and will be mentioned specifically at each of the players meetings and award ceremonies. The programs will be distributed to all competitors and made available to spectators. [b]Hole Sponsors[/b] ($25) will have a sign placed prominently at the tee for a tournament hole with the company logo and a brief message of your choice boldly displayed. [b]Par Sponsors[/b] ($100) sponsors will get the tee sign, will be featured on the back of the Championship tshirt and will include a tournament tshirt and disc. [b]Birdie Sponsor[/b] ($250) sponsors will get a tee sign on half the holes on all three courses, will be featured prominently on the back of the Championship tshirt and will include two tournament t-shirts and two tournament discs. [b]Ace Sponsors[/b] ($500) sponsors will get Full Course tee signs at all three courses, will be featured prominently on the back of the Championship tshirt and will include four tournament t-shirts and four tournament discs. Sponsorship also include one team entry. http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,200718#msg-200718 Tue, 21 May 2013 09:05:00 -0500 Phorum 5.2.15a http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205310#msg-205310 Re: 2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205310#msg-205310 TheZinger General Discussion Mon, 15 Aug 2011 22:23:00 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205295#msg-205295 Re: 2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205295#msg-205295
Learning and caring is so valuable thing in any form of our lives. How we go about taking in all this information and dealing with it is how we will grow or not. Try and understand anyone taking on running a SNC needs all the help before the event, not after the event. As players are driving away to go home most TDS know what went very well and what did not. Most players had a great time at the SNDC as I did. Who ever runs it next year should read everyone thoughts on here and go from there.]]> JIM ORUM General Discussion Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:39:19 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205266#msg-205266 Re: 2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205266#msg-205266

We have a Priest, a Rabi and a Maji, all sharing pizza

afterwards they decide to light up a Camel while listening to some Oasis

Only to be interupted by some Pimp and Prositute discussing a 25 or 6 to 4 payout scheme

Seems vividly clear to me

Dex]]> Dex General Discussion Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:52:49 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205191#msg-205191 Re: 2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205191#msg-205191 -------------------------------------------------------
> Why can't we just do like Terry's pizza order and
> agree on a whole number.
>
> Like this?
> [docs.google.com]
> l=en_US&key=0AjtDmvMiM1-_dENZY2NHOER3c3QxRUtnWVpBQ
> mx2WWc&output=html

That looks awesome. Something that follows the guidelines and something that everyone understands, and nobody can twist words around when you're using numbers.

Can we all just agree to use something along these lines and be done with this argument?]]> Ethan General Discussion Sun, 14 Aug 2011 13:59:29 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205147#msg-205147 Re: 2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205147#msg-205147

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Who'd a thunk it Zinger
In school, if i need at least a 92% on my final exam to make an A in the class, the final has 43 questions. 92% * 43 = 39.56 Since i can't get 39.56 answers right (has to be a full answer), I must get 40 answers right. 40/43= 93.02%, 39/43= 90.69%. Getting 39 answers right gives me a rounded up 91, that is not at least a 92% which means I now have a B in the class. Getting 40 answers right gives me a higher percentage than I need, but that's the way is has to be in order to reach my 92% minimum.

Boom!]]> Gilligan General Discussion Sat, 13 Aug 2011 10:58:27 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205138#msg-205138 Re: 2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205138#msg-205138 "Since 4/13 is less than 35% I know the 4th best shooter is well within the top 35%. I know I have to give at least 4 of the best shooting golfers a piece of the pie, but what about that half (.55) of a person? There are no half people so I can't give exactly 35% of the players a slice. I have to decide whether their agreement requires that the 5th best shooter get a slice. I use the same method for 5th place as I used for 4th place, 5/13 is 38.4615384615385 %. Since 5/13 is greater than 35% I conclude the 5th place finisher did not finish in the top 35%. Therefore I give 4 players a 1/4 slice."

I guess this is what I don't understand. If I need AT LEAST 35%, then anything less fails to reach that mark. 38% is at least, not 31%. If you need to borrow at least 17 gallons of gas to make it to baton rouge, 16 gallons won't cut it, it's not at least, but 17 gallons and anything over does. 25 gallons is at least 17. 17 1/2 gallons is at least 17 gallons, but 16 1/2 isn't.

It goes back to equals or more than. The 4th best shooter IS well within the top 35%, but it doesn't meet the 35% requirement because it's less than 35%, it's less than the minimum. 38% is greater than 35%, so it IS AT LEAST 35%, it meets that requirement.

I think this is why i'm not understanding the debate.

In school, if i need at least a 92% on my final exam to make an A in the class, the final has 43 questions. 92% * 43 = 39.56 Since i can't get 39.56 answers right (has to be a full answer), I must get 40 answers right. 40/43= 93.02%, 39/43= 90.69%. Getting 39 answers right gives me a rounded up 91, that is not at least a 92% which means I now have a B in the class. Getting 40 answers right gives me a higher percentage than I need, but that's the way is has to be in order to reach my 92% minimum.]]> TheZinger General Discussion Sat, 13 Aug 2011 01:56:53 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205099#msg-205099 Re: 2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205099#msg-205099
Now are you going to go for setting the percentage of the purse that must be paid to each pay spot? Will we allow the pizza to be divided into 13 equal pieces, or say every place but 1st gets only $1?]]> Discjazz General Discussion Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:25:53 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205097#msg-205097 Re: 2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205097#msg-205097

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Kevin
Why can't we just do like Terry's pizza order and agree on a whole number.

Like this? [docs.google.com]]]> jtolbert General Discussion Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:00:03 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205088#msg-205088 Re: 2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205088#msg-205088 Gary Wagoner General Discussion Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:12:04 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205087#msg-205087 Re: 2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205087#msg-205087 John Rock General Discussion Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:48:25 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205085#msg-205085 Re: 2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205085#msg-205085
The eldest got 9 beasts, the middle got 6 and the youngest got 2. The maji got back on his dormatory and humped off into the sunset.

Gary Wagoner]]> Gary Wagoner General Discussion Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:19:30 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205084#msg-205084 Re: 2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205084#msg-205084 dustin morris General Discussion Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:18:48 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205082#msg-205082 Re: 2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205082#msg-205082 Gilligan General Discussion Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:05:39 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205078#msg-205078 Re: 2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205078#msg-205078 dustin morris General Discussion Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:53:47 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205076#msg-205076 Re: 2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205076#msg-205076 ransomjones General Discussion Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:48:20 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205071#msg-205071 Re: 2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205071#msg-205071
Eat a PIZZA!!]]> bryan griffin General Discussion Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:05:32 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205058#msg-205058 Re: 2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205058#msg-205058 ]]> Bluff Magee General Discussion Fri, 12 Aug 2011 13:27:14 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205056#msg-205056 Re: 2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205056#msg-205056 dustin morris General Discussion Fri, 12 Aug 2011 13:25:28 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205049#msg-205049 Re: 2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205049#msg-205049 TheCarGuy General Discussion Fri, 12 Aug 2011 13:15:14 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205045#msg-205045 Re: 2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205045#msg-205045
I ask them why they didn't just decide ahead of time how many players would get a piece of the pie. They tell me it is a tradition they are following handed down from years of pizza prize history. But why 35% I ask. They answer, because we like it that way. I ask, why don't we just give everybody a small piece (1/13th) of the pie? They admit that would be consistent with their agreement but all agree it is not what they intended. They say they want it to be divided amongst only a few so that at least a few of them, who shot the best, will be able to quench their hunger. I ask again, how many people did you agree should get a slice. They repeat, the top 35%. How many is that, I ask? We don't know, they say. That is why we asked you to decide. They tell me it is entirely up to me to decide whether to give a slice to only those who finished in the top 35% or to give a slice to more players than that, but don't just give everybody a slice.

If I were smart I would just decline to arbitrate this ridiculous agreement. It is impossible to know exactly what they agreed to. However I am an idiot so I do it anyway. I decide that since they don't want 13 slices and did not agree on how many slices, I will just go with the minimum required by their agreement. That way at least a few may get enough to eat to play another round. They all agree that if I do that they will be happy and thank me for slicing the pizza.

I start by calculating what 35% of 13 is. 35% of 13 is 4.55. To confirm my calculation I convert 4/13 to a percentage as 30.7692307692308 %. Since 4/13 is less than 35% I know the 4th best shooter is well within the top 35%. I know I have to give at least 4 of the best shooting golfers a piece of the pie, but what about that half (.55) of a person? There are no half people so I can't give exactly 35% of the players a slice. I have to decide whether their agreement requires that the 5th best shooter get a slice. I use the same method for 5th place as I used for 4th place, 5/13 is 38.4615384615385 %. Since 5/13 is greater than 35% I conclude the 5th place finisher did not finish in the top 35%. Therefore I give 4 players a 1/4 slice.

The other 9 players then order more pizzas to be delivered by Hooters girls. Then a bunch of other people tell me the answer was 5 and if I weren't such an idiot I would have known that.

What have we learned? It is pretty stupid to be calculating percentages of people for the purpose of dividing a pizza. Why can't we just do like Terry's pizza order and agree on a whole number.]]> Discjazz General Discussion Fri, 12 Aug 2011 13:03:34 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205038#msg-205038 Re: 2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205038#msg-205038 dustin morris General Discussion Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:03:55 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205036#msg-205036 Re: 2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205036#msg-205036 sand2bass2 General Discussion Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:02:27 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205033#msg-205033 Re: 2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205033#msg-205033
There are several TD's out there using an excel spreadsheet to do all the payout calculations for them, me included!

Why not have an "SN Approved" program for the TD's at the Champinship events to use? This would take all the guess work out of the equation and settle all the "how many places to pay" questions! There are usually BOD members present at ll the Championship events, so this should not be a problem!

Of the several TD's using this, I have yet to hear of anyone complaining about the payouts!

As I said, just a thought!

From all the posts I have read on this thread, it looks like the JUDGES did a great job on this event, and I KNOW how easy it is to make a mistake that blows up in your face, been there, done that!

Many tend to focus on the bad instead of the good! It would be better to fix the problem than to continue beating the dead horse, so to speak.

We will have a new BOD soon, and those who will be on it will be voted on by YOU, the members of the Southern Natioanals. Vote wisely and let them do their job!]]> DG Guy General Discussion Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:52:15 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205028#msg-205028 Re: 2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205028#msg-205028
Tony Bass]]> sand2bass2 General Discussion Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:32:13 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205027#msg-205027 Re: 2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205027#msg-205027 dustin morris General Discussion Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:30:52 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205020#msg-205020 Re: 2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205020#msg-205020 Panic General Discussion Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:13:48 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205009#msg-205009 Re: 2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,205009#msg-205009
Scottyd Wrote:
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> Bevause of smart arses like you]]> dustin morris General Discussion Fri, 12 Aug 2011 10:26:44 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,204991#msg-204991 Re: 2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,204991#msg-204991 TheZinger General Discussion Fri, 12 Aug 2011 08:42:21 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,204984#msg-204984 Re: 2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,204984#msg-204984
I do believe the JUDGES did a great job. With that much hard work put into it by them it was not their intentions to "shaft" anyone on payout.]]> Dillon Gourley General Discussion Fri, 12 Aug 2011 08:20:40 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,204982#msg-204982 Re: 2011 SN Doubles Championship, Jackson, MS July 30-31st http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,200718,204982#msg-204982 Scottyd General Discussion Fri, 12 Aug 2011 08:14:41 -0500