SN Fee price raise?

SN Fee price raise? I personally wanted to know what everyone thought about raising the price to $3-$4? The extra money going towards website, ratings, or anything else that would need to be paid for. http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,225932#msg-225932 Thu, 23 May 2013 02:45:34 -0500 Phorum 5.2.15a http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,228768#msg-228768 Re: SN Fee price raise? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,228768#msg-228768 wayneacree General Discussion Sat, 25 Aug 2012 08:39:20 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,228095#msg-228095 Re: SN Fee price raise? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,228095#msg-228095
Make a supported argument for why it should be done and I'll be happy to consider a rebuttal.]]> Discjazz General Discussion Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:31:12 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,228090#msg-228090 Re: SN Fee price raise? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,228090#msg-228090 membership tag. Doesn't have to be a "bag tag". Who really plays for those tags anyway?? Plus that way the number on the tag wouldn't matter. I had bag tag number 147 once....
Of course you'd want to make sure this was clear to all prospective players so that you didn't "spring it on them" at sign-ups. But how much more work would it take to add this disclaimer to fliers...? "All participants must be SN member, cost of new membership $20 per season (June-May)".
I really think if you can afford to play tournaments, you could afford an extra $20 per season to go towards membership. Surely someone could even set up an online paypal site on which memberships could be purchased and tags renewed. This could also be the start of each player being assigned a personal identifying number. This number, as others have stated, could help in sign-ups at tourney's, in making sure SN points went to the correct name (alleviating spelling errors), and a future rating system...

...Let the rebuttals begin....]]> lmeyers General Discussion Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:14:22 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226964#msg-226964 Re: SN Fee price raise? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226964#msg-226964 -------------------------------------------------------
> ...I been doing just fine for 10 plus years in
> the SN without a rating system...Think I can get
> by without it..

Problem for new DGrs coming into the sport is that folks SIT in the same division for 5+ years and never move up. If their skill is such that they "should" still be there, then so be it. But when you have 5 or so folks consistently winning or in the top 5 at every tournament they participate in year after year after year, it's hard for new people to the sport to compete. TD's have a saying "if you haven't played a tourney play in novice" if you have move up to intermediate BUT you have players that sit in intermediate for YEARS, advanced longer.

Again I understand that some folks skill will top out at certain levels. but when you can see folks jumping from pro open to advanced to intermediate depending on the course and where they are or better yet ... meh, I'm just not feeling it today ... I'll play intermediate, really?

So far I haven't spent more than a season in any division, I know I'm close to topping out and based on competition I see at event, I should play intermediate again this season. That's not going to do anything for my personal game though and will stagnate the ranks even more. Most of the advanced players I've met have been playing advanced for longer than I've even known about the sport, let alone been at a somewhat competitive skill level. Ratings can only help to ensure folks are playing where they should based on skill, not how they're feeling that day or where their buddies are playing.

I enjoy competitive play. I do not enjoy playing against a player that on my best day ... I still couldn't beat because he likes where he's at beating the field by 7 or many many more strokes with his other bagger buddy(ies).]]> Joe_Kool General Discussion Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:05:17 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226388#msg-226388 Re: SN Fee price raise? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226388#msg-226388
Has the BOD even approved the pp for the snac??

somethings never change......]]> Tax Man General Discussion Sun, 22 Jul 2012 07:34:31 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226231#msg-226231 Re: SN Fee price raise? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226231#msg-226231
My references were not intended to call out any individual per se - besides YOU (as the TD) and THE PLAYERS know who the historical culprits are....and I do believe their future efforts to TD successfully will and have suffered when suggestions of swidelin' dominate post tourney threads....

I would think that accountability by a TD should be something that all TDs embrace - it helps the sport grow without the flack we have seen many times on the forum (accusations and all that "stuff").... perhaps the BOD should consider some TD report or application requirements....

I really don't know what the best treatment for perserving TD reputations and forthright clarity of expenses to players is - but it should be something the BoD considers and hopefully focuses upon as we continue to grow OUR series.....Griff]]> bryan griffin General Discussion Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:27:22 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226220#msg-226220 Re: SN Fee price raise? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226220#msg-226220

Just a thought - go ahead - tear into it.........]]> bryan griffin General Discussion Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:53:06 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226219#msg-226219 Re: SN Fee price raise? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226219#msg-226219 no one? I'd host it. bet u some would. maybe not you but "i dont give a flip" if you do or not
and the shirt thing was an idea. excuse me for coming up with an idea instead of trashing and being negative about literally everything on here like you do.
Almost seems like a "raw rookie" cares more about the SN than an "experienced player"]]> JBrowntown7 General Discussion Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:43:01 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226218#msg-226218 Re: SN Fee price raise? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226218#msg-226218
No one is hosting charity tournaments for an SN website. It's what can the SN do for us, not what can we do for the SN.

No one gives a gd flip about a number on a shirt. For one they've sold like maybe 20 SN shirts, for 2, if I wanted a number on a shirt it cost about $2 at the embroidery place.]]> Dillon Gourley General Discussion Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:36:28 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226210#msg-226210 Re: SN Fee price raise? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226210#msg-226210

And I've mentioned charity tournaments before but if we asked a TD in each state associated with the SN to host a charity tournament for the website in consecutive weeks it could raise alot. That way people from all over could contribute instead of having it in just one city that may be too far a drive for someone. Say maybe Alabama Florida louisiana Arkansas Mississippi tennessee all have one back to back.]]> JBrowntown7 General Discussion Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:17:07 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226209#msg-226209 Re: SN Fee price raise? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226209#msg-226209 JBrowntown7 General Discussion Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:08:52 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226197#msg-226197 Re: SN Fee price raise? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226197#msg-226197

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I dont really care about ratings, I do think that if you play in a pro division you should have to have a sn bag tag to play in a sn event that would help raise alot of cash..... Just my thought....

Another barrier to entry to the pro division is not a good idea. We already have enough problems getting adv players to move to open (at least, that's what I hear on the boards), and charging a player $25 to get a bag tag, which can be rather difficult to come by in the first place (personally, that's not something that's worth going through buying online), is only going to deter even more people from moving up. It'll also keep some current players away. Also, if I'm already paying a membership fee to the PDGA, which is a larger, more organized body that is actually using my money to improve the sport, then I wouldn't be very inclined to pay another one to the SNDG so that I can play a tournament series that I primarily view as a place to have a great one day tournament experience that will be a lot of fun, but not overly competitive [read this as a competitive attitude, not a reflection on scores].*

*For the record, it may not sound like it, but I do prefer SN events to PDGA events.]]> curt General Discussion Thu, 19 Jul 2012 07:36:16 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226188#msg-226188 Re: SN Fee price raise? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226188#msg-226188
RANDEYE
pdga#7250]]> randeye1 General Discussion Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:08:59 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226164#msg-226164 Re: SN Fee price raise? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226164#msg-226164 THAT SCARES THE H E L L OUT OF ME! LOL]]> Keith Bodin General Discussion Wed, 18 Jul 2012 16:27:07 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226163#msg-226163 Re: SN Fee price raise? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226163#msg-226163
Yes I have TD experience. Yes I think PDGA comparable ratings are worth a dollar per entry mainly due to the propagator data input time required, the value of course ratings, and the low value of the dollar. If I were the TD I would not charge for ratings because I could do them myself. If I thought ratings would help pack the house I would advertise that I would be doing them for free. No I do not think ratings would help pack the house at this time, so I might do them for fun or I might not if I got too busy.

I think everybody should learn how to calculate ratings. There is no excuse for anyone to complain about lack of ratings. Whoever wants them should either do them, pay for them personally or shut up about it.

No there is nothing I think the SN needs to do about ratings at this time. I do not object to the SN publishing an optional ratings standard but I think it is a low priority and would be unappreciated until we have a bunch of TDs who want ratings. I think if most players wanted ratings then TDs would want ratings and make them happen. It would be silly to do ratings for anything more or less than everyone playing the same tees as a reasonable number of propagators.

Ratings are the only zombies I can think of that I really like.]]> Discjazz General Discussion Wed, 18 Jul 2012 16:15:06 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226160#msg-226160 Re: SN Fee price raise? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226160#msg-226160 hudd General Discussion Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:54:34 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226159#msg-226159 Re: SN Fee price raise? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226159#msg-226159
A) TD makes money, has horrible payouts
B) TD makes money, has great payouts
C) TD doesn't make money, has horrible payouts
D) TD doesn't make money, has great payouts]]> contrast General Discussion Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:37:40 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226157#msg-226157 Re: SN Fee price raise? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226157#msg-226157 hudd General Discussion Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:00:11 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226154#msg-226154 Re: SN Fee price raise? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226154#msg-226154

I take this in a bad way. I run tournaments by myself because I don't like the headache of having 20 people in a club telling me how to run my tourney. I don't make anything on my tournaments. All profit goes to the next one. Wait until you see my civil war final and you will see. But to down a individual who runs a tournament is not good.]]> head General Discussion Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:31:47 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226152#msg-226152 Re: SN Fee price raise? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226152#msg-226152

Dex]]> Dex General Discussion Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:22:41 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226150#msg-226150 Re: SN Fee price raise? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226150#msg-226150
Dustin is correct that everyone's pov should be listened to...

Dustin is INCORRECT that the $1 has anything to do with the TD's pockets.....it will come from the players whether they realize it up front or not....

I personally never made 1 red cent on any tourney I ever ran (most were for a Club or a Charity)....never pocketed a penny - maybe got a tourney disc or mini for my work, but that's it......

Guess I am naive - I never ran a tourney to line MY pockets - I worked as a volunteer in support of a Club......

I would personally be against tourneys run by individuals or vendors - it is a straight up conflict of interest and the temptation to pocket $$ is obvious and has been historically abused in several cases....

This series is about the players - and the players should decide - but the players are also entitled to all the facts and differing povs prior to their decision.....aren't we all? Griff]]> bryan griffin General Discussion Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:15:51 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226147#msg-226147 Re: SN Fee price raise? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226147#msg-226147 Dillon Gourley General Discussion Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:25:31 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226139#msg-226139 Re: SN Fee price raise? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226139#msg-226139
I am an AM player and I think the one thing that needs to happen is the upwards of 30-40% of the AM SN fees be taken and put toward the SNPC Payout. The AM players do not really need all the plastic that comes with the SNAC]]> head General Discussion Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:40:21 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226134#msg-226134 Re: SN Fee price raise? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226134#msg-226134 Page for the new handbook
Advertisements
Ratings and points page
History page (how the SN got started, who do we thank for getting it together)
Past winners etc
Updated schedules and results
a donation link for anyone who chooses to donate to the SN. Maybe we can have a specific thing we trying to raise money for and they donate strictly for that
Forums. Obviously
A list of all clubs and leagues. This way all the new players can come on and see what's around them
A list of all TDs just to show them respect
A merchandise page like contrast said
If we did some sort of membership maybe thru bag tags etc. A page for that
A voting link where whenever it's time to vote on something or the Bod or whatever we can go here. Having a membership would be good for this cuz if we has a number and a specific email is linked to that number, a unique URL can be sent to them to vote. This could prevent people from voting a million times and also let others vote who may not be at the championships
A contact link
Questions link
A courses link
One Thing the pdga has I think is pretty cool is a media link. It would be fun to read articles written on people you play with.
A paypal link like dillon said
Pictures as well]]> JBrowntown7 General Discussion Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:28:54 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226133#msg-226133 Re: SN Fee price raise? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226133#msg-226133
I also think that not a lot of players even know about the site, a newsletter should be made available at events.]]> drivinatwork General Discussion Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:24:44 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226131#msg-226131 Re: SN Fee price raise? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226131#msg-226131
A little bit of history of the SN, championship winners, points race winners, etc...

Articles about disc golf or SN players in our area, people and places we know.

A SN store - you're right on the money here contrast - shirts, discs, bag tags, how about a PDGA rule book coming with all purchases cause god forbid half the players learn some rules.

I'd also like to see a Paypal link to our treasurer. Time to go paperless, Eco friendly SN, a little bit greener, and not that kind of GREEN!!!!

Mac, love the choice of words. Hope to see ya soon!]]> Dillon Gourley General Discussion Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:40:43 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226119#msg-226119 Re: SN Fee price raise? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226119#msg-226119
Drop that $20.00 price, you can't even get them till the season is 2 months under way!!!!

Make them look a lot better, look at the club tags going around and selling very well!!!!!

you could make a $10.00 bag tag mandatory for S.N. tourneys, available before the season!!!!!!!

That could be your ratings and or website money,

Just a thought

Dex]]> Dex General Discussion Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:03:42 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226112#msg-226112 Re: SN Fee price raise? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226112#msg-226112
Robert 'Mac' Wrote:
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> Let's see how the voting is progressing so far:
>
> Aganist- five or six experienced TDs
> For- one very raw Rookie]]> dustin morris General Discussion Wed, 18 Jul 2012 06:40:53 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226111#msg-226111 Re: SN Fee price raise? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226111#msg-226111
I'm for a new website as well, but I'm a little curious what everyone else is wanting it to include. Obviously the first two things would be a new design and paid banner ads. Then a link to the updated handbook we keep hearing about? A merchandise page that goes to a SN store which includes t-shirts, bag tags, and any other future fundraising ideas? A tournament signup page? What else?]]> contrast General Discussion Wed, 18 Jul 2012 06:24:03 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226104#msg-226104 Re: SN Fee price raise? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,225932,226104#msg-226104 hudd General Discussion Tue, 17 Jul 2012 22:54:55 -0500