Amateur Entry Fees This past weekend I held the Arkansas State Doubles Competition! With a last minute advertising and putting together, we didn't have a turnout like expected. However, I set ALL Amateur Divisions at the same exact price. This worked out very well with players moving up in divisions. We had two Recreational teams sign up and a large Intermediate field sign up. When they looked at the field, I mentioned that they could play in the intermediate field and play against more players with the best part being it didn't cost them anything extra! This was very appealing to them and said "sure why not, lets give it a try." Once the two rounds was over, one of those teams placed 2nd overall and the other placed last cash. I have decided to move all my events to this method in order to hopefully increase the moving up and eliminate the same excuse I keep hearing "I don't have the extra money to play in a higher division" As for professionals..........I have done the same as well. Bagging in Pro's isn't an issue there, but Amateur divisions are. What do you think? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231182#msg-231182 Mon, 20 May 2013 04:12:36 -0500 Phorum 5.2.15a http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,232009#msg-232009 Re: Amateur Entry Fees http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,232009#msg-232009 ]]> wayneacree General Discussion Sun, 28 Oct 2012 17:02:54 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,232008#msg-232008 Re: Amateur Entry Fees http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,232008#msg-232008 JBrowntown7 General Discussion Sun, 28 Oct 2012 16:25:44 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231994#msg-231994 Re: Amateur Entry Fees http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231994#msg-231994 Dillon Gourley General Discussion Sat, 27 Oct 2012 18:21:35 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231978#msg-231978 Re: Amateur Entry Fees http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231978#msg-231978 I have always wondered why intermed payout was the highest and the answer was always that entrants were highest. So if entry was the same as advanced maybe divisions would even out. I'm for trying it at our tourney next year for sure. All pro was the same, why not all Am. Then payout in Adv could be higher % too.]]> lmeyers General Discussion Fri, 26 Oct 2012 18:50:40 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231838#msg-231838 Re: Amateur Entry Fees http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231838#msg-231838 CajunWarrior33 General Discussion Wed, 24 Oct 2012 15:04:41 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231829#msg-231829 Re: Amateur Entry Fees http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231829#msg-231829 JBrowntown7 General Discussion Wed, 24 Oct 2012 12:52:38 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231814#msg-231814 Re: Amateur Entry Fees http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231814#msg-231814 -------------------------------------------------------
> I like it if it is like this. say normally
> intermediate is 35$ and rec is 25$ . if all were
> 25$ im game. if all were 35$ i wouldnt be. I just
> signed up for the howler. in Rec just so i could
> even play. I literally emptied my wallet to pay
> the 27$. If it was 42$ like intermediate I couldnt
> play. If intermediate was 27$. id play
> intermediate.

Did you break your piggy bank too? How about steal from grandmas purse?]]> Dillon Gourley General Discussion Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:07:19 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231792#msg-231792 Re: Amateur Entry Fees http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231792#msg-231792 CajunWarrior33 General Discussion Tue, 23 Oct 2012 23:59:47 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231784#msg-231784 Re: Amateur Entry Fees http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231784#msg-231784
In the next event that I am hosting on November 10 in Hot Springs. NPC Last Chance Qualifier I have made all Amateur divisions $30.00 and all professional divisions $45.00

This has a nice standard in my book for Amateur divisions (Not too much and Not too Cheap) The payout will be nice and no player can say "I didn't play in the upper division b/c I didn't have enough money. If they play, its because its the division they want to play in and of course I will do my best to monitor players who try and move down regardless.

Lets say a group of players come up to me near the end of the Registration and says "John Doe has played in many upper level divisions and cashed, why is he in the lower level divison" I could easily address that and move him to his proper division without costing "him the player" any extra money. I like the approach for sure.]]> Trackin01 General Discussion Tue, 23 Oct 2012 20:32:03 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231782#msg-231782 Re: Amateur Entry Fees http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231782#msg-231782 Bluff Magee General Discussion Tue, 23 Oct 2012 18:35:51 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231779#msg-231779 Re: Amateur Entry Fees http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231779#msg-231779 JBrowntown7 General Discussion Tue, 23 Oct 2012 17:02:59 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231777#msg-231777 Re: Amateur Entry Fees http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231777#msg-231777 CajunWarrior33 General Discussion Tue, 23 Oct 2012 16:59:00 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231775#msg-231775 Re: Amateur Entry Fees http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231775#msg-231775 head General Discussion Tue, 23 Oct 2012 16:55:38 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231774#msg-231774 Re: Amateur Entry Fees http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231774#msg-231774 JBrowntown7 General Discussion Tue, 23 Oct 2012 16:44:31 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231471#msg-231471 Re: Amateur Entry Fees http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231471#msg-231471 Some TD's take from the Amateurs and put it into the Pro's and some don't. What needs to be recognized from a TD standpoint is that, your event is filled with Amateur players. No matter how many professionals show up, there is usually more Amateur players there.

Do you start taking from the Intermdiate division and recreational division to promote Advanced players now? I do however see the incentive of it, but I am curious to see how many advanced players start to move up now that thier division is getting a bump in payout. Its a crapshoot for sure.

There are some people out there who will say "I could try out that Advanced division and it wouldn't cost me a dime more"]]> Trackin01 General Discussion Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:31:11 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231468#msg-231468 Re: Amateur Entry Fees http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231468#msg-231468 DISCKEY General Discussion Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:24:03 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231467#msg-231467 Re: Amateur Entry Fees http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231467#msg-231467
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Doug
If all divisions were the same entry fee and all divisions had 10 players in them, the payout would be the same. But The professionals payout is higher due to the increased entry fees. Would an advanced player have incentive to move up for that?

I don't believe you can compare incentive for moving from Int to Adv with the incentive for Adv to Pro. Int and Adv both play for prizes. The incentive for Pro is cash.

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Doug
if Advanced players are paying the same entry as all Amateur players and the payout is Higher, then people might move up to Advanced. The only way I see it being higher for a same number of players would be pay out less of the field.

I believe Adv should pay deeper with better prizes and Int pay less. I believe we should reward the higher level of competition. If I know that Int is going to get paid 50% deep, why would I even risk being beaten in Adv? I should just stay in Int and get nearly guaranteed payout. Whereas if the payout was deeper and better in Adv, I would push myself to get more for my entry fee. Just my thoughts.

I do agree with you about the same entry fees though. I just see the payouts being another hindrance. I've been to plenty of tourneys with 40+ Int players and only 15 or less Adv players. What if we paid 20% of the Int division and 40% of the Adv division (similar to Mango [www.pdga.com]), except with 1st place in Int receiving about the same prize(s) as the last few places that cash in Adv?

Also, I've never TD'd a tournament, so I'm not trying to sound like I know it all. I've only helped with them. So I could be completely wrong with all of this, and that's ok.]]> jtolbert General Discussion Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:10:02 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231422#msg-231422 Re: Amateur Entry Fees http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231422#msg-231422 -------------------------------------------------------
> I like the entry fee idea. I believe you'd also
> have to make payout for Adv considerably better
> than Int to encourage more people to move up.


Justin what if you looked at it like this: If all divisions were the same entry fee and all divisions had 10 players in them, the payout would be the same. But The professionals payout is higher due to the increased entry fees. Would an advanced player have incentive to move up for that?

Would an Intermediate player move to advanced based on the fact that the payout is the same and entry fee is same. I can't see a good reason for someone to move down if the payout is the same..............

However I do see your point if Advanced players are paying the same entry as all Amateur players and the payout is Higher, then people might move up to Advanced. The only way I see it being higher for a same number of players would be pay out less of the field. 50% Intermediate and 40% Advanced?

But this same entry fee really seems to benefit the Recreational vs Intermediate fields so far. I have another event coming up to test this theory.]]> Trackin01 General Discussion Thu, 18 Oct 2012 08:51:51 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231421#msg-231421 Re: Amateur Entry Fees http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231421#msg-231421 hobbit489 General Discussion Thu, 18 Oct 2012 08:36:12 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231419#msg-231419 Re: Amateur Entry Fees http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231419#msg-231419 jtolbert General Discussion Thu, 18 Oct 2012 08:28:36 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231328#msg-231328 Re: Amateur Entry Fees http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231328#msg-231328 jacques General Discussion Wed, 17 Oct 2012 03:48:16 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231321#msg-231321 Re: Amateur Entry Fees http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231321#msg-231321 T_Bo_Max General Discussion Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:37:07 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231184#msg-231184 Re: Amateur Entry Fees http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231184#msg-231184 hudd General Discussion Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:21:20 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231182#msg-231182 Amateur Entry Fees http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,231182,231182#msg-231182
We had two Recreational teams sign up and a large Intermediate field sign up. When they looked at the field, I mentioned that they could play in the intermediate field and play against more players with the best part being it didn't cost them anything extra! This was very appealing to them and said "sure why not, lets give it a try."

Once the two rounds was over, one of those teams placed 2nd overall and the other placed last cash. I have decided to move all my events to this method in order to hopefully increase the moving up and eliminate the same excuse I keep hearing "I don't have the extra money to play in a higher division"

As for professionals..........I have done the same as well. Bagging in Pro's isn't an issue there, but Amateur divisions are. What do you think?]]> Trackin01 General Discussion Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:15:16 -0500