I personally dont have issue with Td's compensating themselves. I would like to get other peoples thoughts, sorry if this topic has been talked bt before. I want to thank all TD's step up and run events(it is a totally thankless job and lord knows you ain't gonna make everyone happy)! http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,234604#msg-234604 Thu, 23 May 2013 09:31:59 -0500 Phorum 5.2.15a http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235151#msg-235151 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235151#msg-235151
Seems to me the easiest way to avoid these scenarios is to post a payout sheet at ALL events.

Many of the events I've been to around the country have them and we do it at Circle 3 events in Memphis.

List all of the per player fees, show added cash in a different color and break down what divisions it went to and how much, and then show the per player cashout. It can be posted before the second round is over and then there are NO QUESTIONS. Players get an education on how many fees and expenses come with running an event, and the TD can field questions as to how much added cash was allocated to which division, but that would be the ONLY concern at that point.

Plus, the TD can still make money off of the difference between AM retail and wholesale on merch. Ideally, a club is making that money and it is funneled back into local courses or future events. But, if it is an individual who is making the profit, at least the payout is square and people will want to come back in the future.

Charity event, Club event, Solo TD event. Making money or not making money. Post it all up front and avoid all suspicion or drama.

Seems pretty clear. Standardizing it with a BOD decision seems like it will complicate it since not all TD's are created equal. Some don't want a dime and others advertise added money but it never seems to materialize. Mandating a posted payout sheet might be a way to ensure that players know what's up. It can keep things from either (a) appearing shady or (b) going that route... perhaps...]]> FatbackBob General Discussion Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:11:44 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235129#msg-235129 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235129#msg-235129
It'd be a great way to REALLY see where the support is on the topics we kick around.......


THREAD DRIFT.......back to the diatribe....]]> bryan griffin General Discussion Tue, 15 Jan 2013 09:11:23 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235121#msg-235121 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235121#msg-235121 RTG General Discussion Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:05:41 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235120#msg-235120 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235120#msg-235120 Keith Bodin General Discussion Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:44:46 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235115#msg-235115 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235115#msg-235115 ESP General Discussion Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:08:16 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235106#msg-235106 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235106#msg-235106 -------------------------------------------------------
> these...in order of importance:
>
> Allowed sale value of disc at pay out (Champ $16,
> Star $17..ect)
> % of entry fee's allowed to be taken out
> % of the field payout min. for non charity events
>
> Max. allowed money a T.D. can take out of an event
>
> Bathrooms available on course.
> Rule books for novice players
>
> Some TD's mark discs up WAAAAYYYYY over suggested
> retail. I once received a $20 Pro Valkyrie. They
> are 10.99 all day 1/4 of a mile from my house. I
> drove 45 mins, paid $$$, played golf, and..bam.
> Really?!?


I'm gonna take the other side of the issue and frame it this way. Wayne, you don't have to attend any tournaments. No one is forcing you. If you know the TD don't pay, then don't play.

Take the case of Bill. There's a few who like him and a few who don't. If the ones that don't just stay home, the ones that do like Bill will have more fun without the controversy. Pretty simple solution huh?

If you don't know the TD of an event, you don't have to play the first time he runs an event. Wait until you find out about what happened and then decide if you want to go back next year. Pretty simple solution huh?

Or, just go to any event expecting nothing. Expect your $30 or $40 to be like buying a ticket to a concert, and try to have fun like you're at a concert. Just don't pass the grass to Dustin during the guitar solo, dude.]]> Bluff Magee General Discussion Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:08:31 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235094#msg-235094 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235094#msg-235094
Exposing greedy TD's with actual facts is good. SN will get those fees from another event.]]> Discjazz General Discussion Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:54:59 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235092#msg-235092 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235092#msg-235092
Allowed sale value of disc at pay out (Champ $16, Star $17..ect)
% of entry fee's allowed to be taken out
% of the field payout min. for non charity events
Max. allowed money a T.D. can take out of an event
Bathrooms available on course.
Rule books for novice players

Some TD's mark discs up WAAAAYYYYY over suggested retail. I once received a $20 Pro Valkyrie. They are 10.99 all day 1/4 of a mile from my house. I drove 45 mins, paid $$$, played golf, and..bam. Really?!?]]> wayneacree General Discussion Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:44:49 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235090#msg-235090 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235090#msg-235090
If we get back on this topic what would you like to see set in place for SN Events?

Examples...
% of the field payout min. for non charity events
% of the field payout min. for charity events
% of entry fee's allowed to be taken out
Max. allowed money a T.D. can take out of an event
Allowed sale value of disc at pay out (Champ $16, Star $17..ect)
Bathrooms available on course.
Rule books for novice players]]> Eric Day General Discussion Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:31:33 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235088#msg-235088 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235088#msg-235088

ESP Wrote:
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> never really thought about it. the money isnt in
> winning the event. its in running it:) cool.]]> Keith Bodin General Discussion Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:11:08 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235085#msg-235085 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235085#msg-235085 ESP General Discussion Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:57:19 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235082#msg-235082 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235082#msg-235082 ESP General Discussion Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:27:03 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235069#msg-235069 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235069#msg-235069 Discjazz General Discussion Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:32:01 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235045#msg-235045 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235045#msg-235045 dustin morris General Discussion Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:18:06 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235029#msg-235029 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235029#msg-235029
Let's say the limit is $5,000 for a one course, one day tournament. If the event value is less than that, the TD gets nothing. For anything over that amount, the TD gets 10%. So if he adds another $1,000 to the event value, he is paid $100. If he gets the event value up to $10,000, he gets $500.

The numbers can be done differently, but the general idea is that the better job the TD does, the more he is rewarded. It's common sense that it will lead to better tournaments with higher payouts in my opinion.]]> contrast General Discussion Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:40:15 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235022#msg-235022 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,235022#msg-235022 dustin morris General Discussion Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:22:26 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,234969#msg-234969 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,234969#msg-234969
Say a TD held a very good tournament last year. If he got a percentage for this year's tournament and it ended up being around $1,000, would you really be against it if in turn the event value were doubled or tripled?]]> contrast General Discussion Sat, 12 Jan 2013 19:14:30 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,234958#msg-234958 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,234958#msg-234958 TheZinger General Discussion Sat, 12 Jan 2013 09:21:22 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,234953#msg-234953 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,234953#msg-234953 contrast General Discussion Sat, 12 Jan 2013 08:23:43 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,234923#msg-234923 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,234923#msg-234923 TheZinger General Discussion Fri, 11 Jan 2013 19:05:27 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,234903#msg-234903 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,234903#msg-234903
I also want to add that if a TD/Club does not have the assets to buy prizes for an event at or near wholesale consider two (2) possibilities. Sometimes you can deal straight with the major disc companies and if you time it right the event will be over, and money in the bank, before you actually have to pay the bill. Event stamped discs can actually be cheaper than stock. If you are not comfortable with a credit card float you might want to check with Jim Orum. He's been known to hook a club up for an event even if he can't be there, but of course I am not speaking for him or his current practices.]]> Discjazz General Discussion Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:35:14 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,234882#msg-234882 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,234882#msg-234882 bryan griffin General Discussion Fri, 11 Jan 2013 11:12:46 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,234848#msg-234848 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,234848#msg-234848
that comment would just stir crap!!!]]> Keith Bodin General Discussion Thu, 10 Jan 2013 22:30:43 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,234846#msg-234846 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,234846#msg-234846
I confronted Ms Girly and told him exactly what was going to happen to him when the tourney was over and guess what. He never even showed his face after the round. Went straight to the car and bolted back to wherever he calls home. I was waiting for him with bells on at the tourney HQ praying he would man up, but the little dude has no nuts!! What a SISSY!!! He talks a big game though, but couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag. Lol!! Punk!!]]> sand2bass2 General Discussion Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:56:04 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,234845#msg-234845 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,234845#msg-234845 , I would
> suggest that we set a maximum retail price on the
> various types of payout plastic that can be
> charged without advance notice. That would allow
> players to know the money deal they are getting
> into without dictating the TD's finances or unduly
> discouraging SN sanctioning. While the SN is a
> great value a TD can have an event and make money
> on it without sanctioning.
>
> I also think there is enough difference between
> typical retail (even low side retail) and
> wholesale for a TD to make money without tapping
> into entry fees, sponsorships or tip jars. I've
> never made a dime personally as a TD but I'm not
> against it and our club has made money when I was
> the TD that the club later used to build, maintain
> and improve courses. I think that is the business
> model we should keep.


Great post...no more overpriced dx and pro plastic......nobody likes $20 pro plastic...unless it is 11x!]]> wayneacree General Discussion Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:50:11 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,234822#msg-234822 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,234822#msg-234822
If there is not enough competition between TD's then maybe the fix is to reduce or eliminate the mileage protection. After all, SN marketing value alone is enough reason for a TD to sanction. The counter to TD greed is to be a non-greedy TD, a no-show or an elsewhere-show player.]]> Discjazz General Discussion Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:24:48 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,234820#msg-234820 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,234820#msg-234820 Brad Wells General Discussion Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:13:31 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,234813#msg-234813 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,234813#msg-234813 contrast General Discussion Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:53:28 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,234802#msg-234802 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,234802#msg-234802 Discdodger333 General Discussion Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:22:35 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,234801#msg-234801 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,234604,234801#msg-234801 Brad Wells General Discussion Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:21:04 -0600