This past weekend I had the unfortunate spot of playing behind a group of Pro Masters in the Back Bay Battle in Biloxi Mississippi. This a very nice and beautyfull course that with a little time and love will develop into a great event. While in the first round I had a great time but not a great score. The second round was entirely different. Watching these Pro players delay and procrastinate between each and every shot of every player on their card. The pace of play was so painfully slow the two groups of novice players behind my card called the TD to complain. There should never be THREE OPEN HOLES ahead of any group EVER...with two or three groups waiting behind them to play with darkness rapidly approaching. I dont want this thread to call anyone out BUTT you know who you are.... Look behind you, Look ahead, Go to your disc and be ready to throw when it's your turn. These are simple things that every Novice players need to know and Pro Players should never forget... http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,235914#msg-235914 Mon, 20 May 2013 13:21:38 -0500 Phorum 5.2.15a http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236988#msg-236988 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236988#msg-236988 Discdodger333 General Discussion Tue, 26 Feb 2013 07:46:26 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236977#msg-236977 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236977#msg-236977 cox3 General Discussion Mon, 25 Feb 2013 20:33:13 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236929#msg-236929 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236929#msg-236929
TDs are not going to turn players away nor shoud they, but when you have 5 and 6 players in groups its gonna be slow. I hate slow play and do everything I can to help speed up the play in my tournaments. To deliberately be slow is not acceptible and should be dealt with by the TD. As a TD sometimes you have to work with the hand you are dealt and if that is large groups, you have to make sure you discuss and enforce slow play penalties.

For me one of the most frustrating scenarios is to be waiting on one card to come in after the first round 30 minutes or longer after everybody else is in. This absolutely sucks for the rest of the players who played within the rules of "pace of play".

The bottom line is, there is no place for slow play, especially in a tournament. As said before, it falls to the TD to follow the rules of pace of play and to enforce them. I absolutely hate to enforce stroke penalties, but it my responsibility to look out for ALL the players in my tournaments.

Ty]]> Slim T General Discussion Mon, 25 Feb 2013 08:47:33 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236801#msg-236801 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236801#msg-236801 BERNIE General Discussion Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:34:38 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236719#msg-236719 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236719#msg-236719 Brad Wells General Discussion Thu, 21 Feb 2013 09:31:06 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236645#msg-236645 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236645#msg-236645

Lynn Wrote:
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> Wow Gary, looks like you've put a lot of thought
> into this.
> I can tell you that no group waited on our group
> due to our "slow" play at Hiller.
> We waited just like everyone else. I guess it's
> easy to single us out since there are so few of
> us.
> I'm not sure why you would put all Women in the
> same bucket by stating "women take longer to play
> than men".
> Just like the Men's field, some Women take longer
> than others on their shots.
> Seriously? You should probably look at scores from
> recent tournaments.
>
> Good luck speeding up the sport. I've played
> since the early 90's all over the country, both
> PDGA and SN. I suggest you place blame
> elsewhere.
>
> Lynn]]> SenkDisc General Discussion Wed, 20 Feb 2013 16:19:50 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236644#msg-236644 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236644#msg-236644 BERNIE General Discussion Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:32:15 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236591#msg-236591 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236591#msg-236591
You know it's bad when people are proud to be slow.]]> Bluff Magee General Discussion Tue, 19 Feb 2013 19:15:06 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236582#msg-236582 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236582#msg-236582 -------------------------------------------------------
> BamaJim Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This past weekend I had the unfortunate spot of
> > playing behind a group of Pro Masters in the
> Back
> > Bay Battle in Biloxi Mississippi. This a very
> nice
> > and beautyfull course that with a little time
> and
> > love will develop into a great event. While in
> the
> > first round I had a great time but not a great
> > score. The second round was entirely different.
> > Watching these Pro players delay and
> procrastinate
> > between each and every shot of every player on
> > their card. The pace of play was so painfully
> slow
> > the two groups of novice players behind my card
> > called the TD to complain. There should never
> be
> > THREE OPEN HOLES ahead of any group EVER...with
> > two or three groups waiting behind them to play
> > with darkness rapidly approaching. I dont want
> > this thread to call anyone out BUTT you know
> who
> > you are.... Look behind you, Look ahead, Go to
> > your disc and be ready to throw when it's your
> > turn. These are simple things that every Novice
> > players need to know and Pro Players should
> never
> > forget...
>
>
> Your score = 146
> Average score of said group = 124
>
> How does this 11 stroke per round deficit qualify
> you to instruct them on how to play the game?
> Obviously their deliberate play awarded them
> considerably lower scores. Yet you wish to
> convince them that you and Bernie's strategy of
> hurry up and get in as many throws as possible
> before the round is over is somehow better. Next
> you will have us believe that the Father of Disc
> Golf was "Speedy" Ed.
>
> "Slow and Steady wins the race"
>
> The Turtle Putt King has spoken!


Give me a break Chunk! I know you want to defend your boy, but his extremely slow play benefits nobody. Not even him. & you know it.

& if your ridiculous per stroke example you gave above is true. Why aren't you guys winning more "race"es? I'll put my casually deliberate style of play up against you guys ridiculously intentionally slow play any day! Why dont we go back & compare the last few years results? You see the rest of us(including 95% of touring pros)are aware of our surroundings & ready to play by the time we arrive at our lie. Which doesn't seem unrealistic or out of reach to the rest of us.

To sum it up. You can continue going against the grain forever if you like, but history would prove that it isn't working. & the fact the Bama Jim threw 11 more shots per round & still waited on every hole is ridiculous. & the situation in our group was exponentially worse. The group in front of us was at least 7-9 holes ahead of us by the end of the round! It wasn't only Logan, but when you put two ridiculously slow players in one group it becomes nearly unbearable for the rest of us.]]> BERNIE General Discussion Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:49:44 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236561#msg-236561 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236561#msg-236561 Discdodger333 General Discussion Mon, 18 Feb 2013 23:00:41 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236453#msg-236453 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236453#msg-236453 min per hole is 3hrs 40 min. With 5 players in a group in tornament play I would expect group times to vary between 3-4hr round depending on course and what hole u start on, especially with 22 holes. Pdga official walks with lead groups at World Championships but they dont make calls unless appealed to by the group.]]> DD0710 General Discussion Fri, 15 Feb 2013 12:32:19 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236396#msg-236396 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236396#msg-236396 I can tell you that no group waited on our group due to our "slow" play at Hiller.
We waited just like everyone else. I guess it's easy to single us out since there are so few of us.
I'm not sure why you would put all Women in the same bucket by stating "women take longer to play than men".
Just like the Men's field, some Women take longer than others on their shots.
Seriously? You should probably look at scores from recent tournaments.

Good luck speeding up the sport. I've played since the early 90's all over the country, both PDGA and SN. I suggest you place blame elsewhere.

Lynn]]> Lynn General Discussion Thu, 14 Feb 2013 20:09:53 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236383#msg-236383 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236383#msg-236383 -------------------------------------------------------
> As a TD, aside from stressing speed of play, what
> else could be done to prevent slow play from
> happening during future events?
>
> Thank you in advance for your suggestions!


1. Women take longer to play than men. I am not being critical; just stating a fact. Avoid five women on a card.

2. When organizing the leaderboard put as many open holes behind of the womens groups as possible.

3. If you are playing two courses put the ams on the easier course during the first round. This will not help during an individual round but should help in getting the second round underway sooner.

4. Place spotters on blind holes or holes which are susceptible to lost discs.

5. When organizing the leader board make sure that at least one person on each card is a local or otherwise familiar with the course.

6. If you are not playing in the tournament, walk the course backwards about half way through the round. If you come upon a group with three open holes ahead of them a three groups stacked up behind them you will be justified in asking them to stand aside. If not that, then you could walk with them and start stroking the individuals for excessive time.

7. Some players are notorious for being slow. If you know who they are avoid putting them together on a first round card.

Gary Wagoner]]> Gary Wagoner General Discussion Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:47:52 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236378#msg-236378 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236378#msg-236378
Thank you in advance for your suggestions!]]> ecotrex General Discussion Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:08:16 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236374#msg-236374 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236374#msg-236374 Flyerbud General Discussion Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:52:29 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236369#msg-236369 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236369#msg-236369 hobbit489 General Discussion Thu, 14 Feb 2013 09:28:18 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236365#msg-236365 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236365#msg-236365 -------------------------------------------------------
> This past weekend I had the unfortunate spot of
> playing behind a group of Pro Masters in the Back
> Bay Battle in Biloxi Mississippi. This a very nice
> and beautyfull course that with a little time and
> love will develop into a great event. While in the
> first round I had a great time but not a great
> score. The second round was entirely different.
> Watching these Pro players delay and procrastinate
> between each and every shot of every player on
> their card. The pace of play was so painfully slow
> the two groups of novice players behind my card
> called the TD to complain. There should never be
> THREE OPEN HOLES ahead of any group EVER...with
> two or three groups waiting behind them to play
> with darkness rapidly approaching. I dont want
> this thread to call anyone out BUTT you know who
> you are.... Look behind you, Look ahead, Go to
> your disc and be ready to throw when it's your
> turn. These are simple things that every Novice
> players need to know and Pro Players should never
> forget...


Your score = 146
Average score of said group = 124

How does this 11 stroke per round deficit qualify you to instruct them on how to play the game? Obviously their deliberate play awarded them considerably lower scores. Yet you wish to convince them that you and Bernie's strategy of hurry up and get in as many throws as possible before the round is over is somehow better. Next you will have us believe that the Father of Disc Golf was "Speedy" Ed.

"Slow and Steady wins the race"

The Turtle Putt King has spoken!]]> Chunk General Discussion Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:58:20 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236362#msg-236362 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236362#msg-236362 -------------------------------------------------------
> Stepping off your putts adds 3-4 minutes to a
> round. Out of the way, long transitions, blind
> shots and OBs add more time looking for disc or
> sending a spotter ahead. Ive played hundreds of
> tournament rounds and after seeing the course I
> thought it would take longer than it did. Tds
> didnt start groups on 5 or (I believe) on 6 so
> there was likely 2 or 3 empty holes whenever a
> group finished 5. Our slow group of masters had 4
> "3"s and 1 "4" on hole 5. We had two other delays
> during round for reasons other than already
> mentioned on holes 11 &12. Other wise rounds
> flowed as I would expect 5/card to- just another
> average tournament pace.
> We disc golfers often have unrealistic
> expectations about this game.

It's nice that there are some sensible disc golfers...]]> cox3 General Discussion Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:43:37 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236317#msg-236317 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236317#msg-236317 We disc golfers often have unrealistic expectations about this game.]]> DD0710 General Discussion Tue, 12 Feb 2013 23:54:39 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236034#msg-236034 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236034#msg-236034 -------------------------------------------------------
> Total # of throws for the entire 2nd Open card =
> 331. Total # of throws for the entire 3rd Open
> card = 335. Third card finishes while the 2nd
> card still has at least 4 holes to
> throw....something ain't right.

The group in front of us was more like 7 holes ahead by the end of the round.]]> BERNIE General Discussion Tue, 05 Feb 2013 13:47:17 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236002#msg-236002 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,236002#msg-236002 Flyerbud General Discussion Mon, 04 Feb 2013 21:03:54 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,235991#msg-235991 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,235991#msg-235991 CajunWarrior33 General Discussion Mon, 04 Feb 2013 17:21:00 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,235973#msg-235973 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,235973#msg-235973 BRIAN B General Discussion Mon, 04 Feb 2013 13:17:29 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,235969#msg-235969 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,235969#msg-235969 hobbit489 General Discussion Mon, 04 Feb 2013 12:34:28 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,235967#msg-235967 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,235967#msg-235967 paHodges General Discussion Mon, 04 Feb 2013 12:15:29 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,235948#msg-235948 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,235948#msg-235948 Shane]]> shane General Discussion Mon, 04 Feb 2013 07:05:29 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,235945#msg-235945 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,235945#msg-235945 BERNIE General Discussion Sun, 03 Feb 2013 23:38:53 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,235943#msg-235943 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,235943#msg-235943 Dillon Gourley General Discussion Sun, 03 Feb 2013 22:38:32 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,235938#msg-235938 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,235938#msg-235938 cox3 General Discussion Sun, 03 Feb 2013 20:13:24 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,235936#msg-235936 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?2,235914,235936#msg-235936 Dillon Gourley General Discussion Sun, 03 Feb 2013 20:10:49 -0600