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        <title>10/01/08 BOD Meeting Minutes</title>
        <description>Members present: Don Tommasko, Will Corey, Matthew Gardner, Mike Sidebottom, Barbara Daniels, and Josh Lenox
 
1. Discussed requiring a dress code at SN events. Voted 5-0 in favor of requiring players to wear a shirt, shoes, and pants/skirts. Bikini tops will not be considered shirts.
 
2. Voted 6-0 to release a statement reminding players to not alter courses without permission.
 
3. Voted 6-0 to look into a request by a local club.
 
4. Discussed adding a rating system. Matthew Gardner stated that he withdrew his system for consideration at present.
 
5. Tabled discussion on the changing the present point system until the next meeting.
 
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong>TheZinger</strong><br/>Wrong,,, the board has a problem with anyone who thinks differently than them.  I learned this the hard way when i was on the board.....from board members.  Hey, maybe a another reason for me quiting (my voice is not loud enough when it's 5-1).  I didn't agree with alot of things the board was talking about, which made me the outcast and the person the others shouldn't pay attention to.</div></blockquote>
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Dissent is what makes our country and the SN great. While you may say that the BOD doesn't do what you want all the time, most of us read the forum and therefore listen to what you have to say. The SN does its best not to restrict the speech of its members, even when they are knowingly spreading lies and disinformation. Sometimes we kick discussions that cross the decency line to the private forum, but we don't delete them.<br />
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As for your voice not being loud enough when the vote is 5-1, at least you had a vote. Sometimes you can influence others even while disagreeing with them. Since I have been on the BOD, every idea has been modified due to a dissenting opinion on the BOD. Both groups have tried very hard to make everthing a 6-0 vote by compromising as much as possible and trying to satisfy the issues raised by the dissenters.<br />
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It can be very frustrating to be attacked, even indirectly, on the forum. It is very hard not to lash out at critics. I hope that posters will be patient with our new BOD members and give them time to adjust to not responding to every comment and not taking things to heart. When you sign up to run things, you have to be prepared to be villified on a regular basis.<br />
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Josh]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Hilltopper</dc:creator>
            <category>SN Board of Directors</category>
            <pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:55:55 -0500</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong>Russ3523</strong><br/>You guys have a problem with ANYONE who goes against the SN status quo.rWc3523</div></blockquote>
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Wrong,,, the board has a problem with anyone who thinks differently than them.  I learned this the hard way when i was on the board.....from board members.  Hey, maybe a another reason for me quiting (my voice is not loud enough when it's 5-1).  I didn't agree with alot of things the board was talking about, which made me the outcast and the person the others shouldn't pay attention to.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>TheZinger</dc:creator>
            <category>SN Board of Directors</category>
            <pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:32:30 -0500</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[ You're right... it's all constructive.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Gilligan</dc:creator>
            <category>SN Board of Directors</category>
            <pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:05:24 -0500</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[ I'm not asking for a pass on anything! I surely don't have any pull with the SN, that's a fact. I'm stating my opinions. You can call it &quot;bashing&quot; all you want.<br />
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I was just informing you that I have already served time on the board. It's telling that only three people offered to serve.<br />
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If Matthew doesn't reconsider his resignation and since NOBODY else ran. I wonder what the board will do in this case. Ask or beg for someone to take his place? <br />
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rWc3523]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Russ3523</dc:creator>
            <category>SN Board of Directors</category>
            <pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:56:36 -0500</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Oh, so I can run, get &quot;elected&quot; and then after that I can bash bash bash and I have a pass since I once was on the board?!]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Gilligan</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:42:55 -0500</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong>Marla</strong><br/>We have to keep our shirts on when it rains or if we get ants in our shirts. You guys should too. Woman up losers.<br />
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Marla</div></blockquote>
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Best post evah!]]></description>
            <dc:creator>ww</dc:creator>
            <category>SN Board of Directors</category>
            <pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:56:34 -0500</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[ We have to keep our shirts on when it rains or if we get ants in our shirts. You guys should too. Woman up losers.<br />
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Marla]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Marla</dc:creator>
            <category>SN Board of Directors</category>
            <pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:54:39 -0500</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Kevin, I served my two years on the board. Of course, maybe you don't know that. Maybe you should do a little research before opening your mouth. Why don't YOU step up? In case you didn't notice. only three people ran for those three seats.<br />
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You guys have a problem with ANYONE who goes against the SN status quo.<br />
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Here's a chance for you to step up. Go for it!<br />
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rWc3523]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Russ3523</dc:creator>
            <category>SN Board of Directors</category>
            <pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:22:57 -0500</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: 10/01/08 BOD Meeting Minutes</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Go for it Russ... you inject as much angst and negativity as anyone on this board.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Gilligan</dc:creator>
            <category>SN Board of Directors</category>
            <pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:35:25 -0500</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Yeah, so do I! ;) About the only day I can do it. rWc3523]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Russ3523</dc:creator>
            <category>SN Board of Directors</category>
            <pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:35:41 -0500</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[ I DO THAT ON SUNDAY,RUSSELL]]></description>
            <dc:creator>rolltider</dc:creator>
            <category>SN Board of Directors</category>
            <pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:26:18 -0500</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Maybe you should be out improving your game Dean. rWc3523]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Russ3523</dc:creator>
            <category>SN Board of Directors</category>
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            <description><![CDATA[ we are so happy to amuse you.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>mike sidebottom</dc:creator>
            <category>SN Board of Directors</category>
            <pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:52:12 -0500</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[ I would rather laugh at ya'll arguing about FROLF than play FROLF. I enjoy this forum, you people crack me up!]]></description>
            <dc:creator>rolltider</dc:creator>
            <category>SN Board of Directors</category>
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            <description><![CDATA[ matthew it is tuff sometimes to take the abuse or whatever you want to call it; it really don't mean a hill of beans to me; you just have to sort it all out and do the right things and make the right choices; anyway i hope you step back take a look and continue your journey as a board member (thick skin my friend) anyway i do not accept your resignation as of now.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>mike sidebottom</dc:creator>
            <category>SN Board of Directors</category>
            <pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:37:49 -0500</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[ I never looked at it as an alternative I was stating that was the mindset of so many SN players. Which is SAD!]]></description>
            <dc:creator>head</dc:creator>
            <category>SN Board of Directors</category>
            <pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:28:08 -0500</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Oh well, there goes a good board member.<br />
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Time for some of you forum posters to step up and put your money where your mouths are.<br />
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rWc3523]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Russ3523</dc:creator>
            <category>SN Board of Directors</category>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Jeebus Christ, I said the statement was moronic. I never took a jab at you. <br />
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The Southern Nationals is supposed to be fun. If it's legal, go all out. HAVE FUN. Do you think the Southern Nationals is the reason disc golf isn't on national television? Not one dam bit. It isn't national because it is boring sport to watch on TV unless you play it. And the TV production we have right now is so god-awful, it never will be national.<br />
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The PDGA is THE governing body for this sport. The Southern Nationals is tournament series. That is ALL. It should not be considered an alternative to the PDGA. Ever.<br />
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The sooner some of you realize this, the better our series of good-ol-boy tournaments that culminate into one of the highest paying tournaments in the world will be.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>ww</dc:creator>
            <category>SN Board of Directors</category>
            <pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:10:43 -0500</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Maybe but it is true there is too much hate going on from both sides to accomplish anything. I feel like the hatred between the SN and PDGA is hurting disc golf in general. But I guess I am just a moron so what do I know. The sport of disc golf will never change and will never grow as long as we keep the mentality that is in place today.<br />
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I resign myself from the board because I have diff views on how to clean up and better the sport. And another moron can try but I am done. Maybe one of the posters on this forum can have my spot because I dont care anymore. Why even have a board because the board cant accomplish anything when no one wants them to. <br />
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Josh, Barb, Will, Don, and Mike I am sorry and this has nothing to do with you. But I cannot be on the board anymore. I love disc golf and I love to play in tournaments but all this bickering and childish jabs at people are taking the fun out of it for me. I dont have a problem with anyone. I am probably the easiest person to get along with and I have no want to be mad at anyone or have people that I would not know if I saw them be mad at me. So this is my resignation and as far as rules and regulations no one on this forum will here my opinions. Opinions are like A$$ holes and mine stinks like everyone elses. <br />
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And I am sure that I will be bashed for this and made fun of but I could care less what anyone on this forum thinks about me because I do not know any of you. The ones that do know me for the person that I am not by what they think that I may be. I am going back to just having fun with a sport that I fell in love with in college and I hope the best for the board and the sport. No hard feelings to anyone because I do not hate people or dislike people I have never met.<br />
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Thank You<br />
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Matthew]]></description>
            <dc:creator>head</dc:creator>
            <category>SN Board of Directors</category>
            <pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:00:29 -0500</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong>head</strong><br/>I was not trying to be sarcastic. I totally agree with Jeff. But its true, the SN will not adopt anything that the PDGA has.</div></blockquote>
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This is absoulutely the most inane and moronic post this board has ever seen.<br />
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Congrats!]]></description>
            <dc:creator>ww</dc:creator>
            <category>SN Board of Directors</category>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong>Russ3523</strong><br/>Truth hurts, don't it? <br />
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rWc3523</div></blockquote>
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LOL, wow... you suprise me over and over.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Gilligan</dc:creator>
            <category>SN Board of Directors</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:23:39 -0500</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Guys, chill out! Jeff, if you want to suspend the rule, suspend the rule, that's the way the SN has always run. THERE IS NO PENALTY FOR THIS RULE! IT IS ALREADY LISTED AS A COURTESY VIOLATION BY THE PDGA! So NOTHING has changed. The only difference is that we are asking TD's to take note by PUBLISHING what the standard should IDEALLY be.<br />
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The only rule that the SN BOD has said can not be suspended in any circumstance is the use of illegal drugs.<br />
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Josh]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Hilltopper</dc:creator>
            <category>SN Board of Directors</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:13:22 -0500</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[ If I am off that weekend I will be there]]></description>
            <dc:creator>head</dc:creator>
            <category>SN Board of Directors</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:09:24 -0500</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[ I know you don't, Matt, but there are many around the SN who do. A lot of folks seem to follow their lead. I had a pleasant experience with the PDGA event I ran last year and intend to run another one this coming year, maybe two!<br />
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rWc3523]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Russ3523</dc:creator>
            <category>SN Board of Directors</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:08:01 -0500</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[ I dont have that mentality but that is what I get out of everything that gets discussed about taking stuff from the PDGA and utilizing it in the SN tour.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>head</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:29:02 -0500</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[ I really don't understand that mentality. rWc3523]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Russ3523</dc:creator>
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            <description><![CDATA[ I was not trying to be sarcastic. I totally agree with Jeff. But its true, the SN will not adopt anything that the PDGA has.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>head</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:50:15 -0500</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Truth hurts, don't it? <br />
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rWc3523]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Russ3523</dc:creator>
            <category>SN Board of Directors</category>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Sarcasm, the answer to everything.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Gilligan</dc:creator>
            <category>SN Board of Directors</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:45:55 -0500</pubDate>
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            <link>http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,130094,130842#msg-130842</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ A tier system is how the PDGA does it so the SN cant do that because then we would be like the PDGA. And we forbid anything that the PDGA does but we use the rule book they have made to go by. Seems kinda ironic to me.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>head</dc:creator>
            <category>SN Board of Directors</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:42:29 -0500</pubDate>
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