Members Present: Mike Sidebottom, Barbara Daniels, Don Tomasko, Matthew Gardner, Will Corey, Josh Lenox 1. Voted 3-3 to allow Pro women to play ADV Men at the 2009 SNAC. An email will be sent to Jim Orum to break the tie. 2. Mike Sidebottom presented an update on the SNDC players pack. 3. Josh Lenox presented an update on the SNAC players pack. 4. Matthew Gardner discussed opening up nominations for the 2009 BOD slots. (Mike Sidebottom, Barbara Daniels, and Josh Lenox's slots will be up for election.) 5. Discussed status of unpaid events. SN BOD http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141255#msg-141255 Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:13:26 -0500 Phorum 5.2.15a http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141516#msg-141516 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141516#msg-141516
Randy, there is no doubt that Mandy can tear it up and is a force to be reckoned with and that isn't even taking in to account her age! Just wait!

This is exactly the point that I was trying to make... The better women in the SN want to move up from Am Women because they feel bad if they are always beating the other ladies that are starting out... usually it's one of you guy's gf that you've convinced to start playing... good on ya for that, but having her get demolished by one of our "pro" ladies won't help encourage them to continue to play (grow the sport). So that doesn't happen, our ladies move up... and they move up to the only place they can (and still feel comfortable)... pro women. Everyone thinks it would be great to have an Adv Women field but it's honestly not feesible at this point in time.

What you guys seem to be out of touch with is that the ladies aren't comfortable playing with all the guys a lot of the times... especially if they are travelling to new places. Hell, it even goes the other way also, some guys don't like to play on the women's card if there are 3 ladies and you need to put a 4th person on the card. I've helped with the cards several times and it's been asked "who wouldn't mind playing on the ladies card?"

If we want the women's division to grow then we certainly don't need to be pushing them away, we need to be accomadating... even if it seems like it goes against logic (this is ladies we are talking about after all :p ).]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:07:23 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141486#msg-141486 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141486#msg-141486
The 2 am women's divisions have been combined. She can play either division. There simply are not enough women to justify having 2 separate divisions. Marla and Judy basically began the ADV division in the SN a few years ago. It never prevented a woman from playing in just "Am Women" if there were not enough ladies to form and ADV division.

Also, if she shows up to an event and is the only am woman, I would hope that the TD would open a division up for her. If not, I think the ladies would like to know the TD who refused her.

Josh]]> Hilltopper SN Board of Directors Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:25:57 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141476#msg-141476 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141476#msg-141476
Mandy (14 years old) plays well above the Am Women's division level and wants to move up. However, she would not be competative in Pro Women's division. Unfortunately for her, Advanced Women is rarely offered, and that's what she needs - to move from short to long tees at an incremental skill level pace.

I completely agree it isn't feasible for TD's to offer a division, if only one participant shows for it. It's common sense on their part because of trophies and payout costs. I also believe there is reasonable logic behind the "three person minimum."

Unfortunately, in one recent SNDG event, Mandy was forced to choose between playing in a men's division, or not playing at all. I can't express to you how disappointing that was for her. In the TD's defense, the divisions were posted well in advance, so we accepted the possibility there might not be a legitimate division for her.

It is sad to see a young lady with great potential getting discouraged (and she is) with the game because her gender and skill level place her in an "atypical" division. It hurts me as a father to witness it, her as a player to experience it, and SNDG as an organization to have it.

I'm not saying the SNDG make special rules and exceptions to benefit a single individual. But rather, as a whole, consider what benefits the future of the organization and sport?

If you build it, will they come? I don't know. But one thing is certain...if you don't build it, they'll never come.

Thank you, SNDG BOD, for your consideration to this post. in future discussions about this issue. I appreciate your dedication and volunteerism to our sport!]]> Randy SN Board of Directors Mon, 08 Jun 2009 11:54:49 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141474#msg-141474 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141474#msg-141474
jeff h]]> cajundop SN Board of Directors Mon, 08 Jun 2009 11:04:22 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141472#msg-141472 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141472#msg-141472 Snap SN Board of Directors Mon, 08 Jun 2009 10:15:27 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141471#msg-141471 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141471#msg-141471 Snap SN Board of Directors Mon, 08 Jun 2009 10:06:05 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141444#msg-141444 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141444#msg-141444 If one plays in a protected division and moves to a PRO protected division (no matter what the reason is) and accepts cash, then it's that persons fault. That person could of either turned down the cash or played in division more challenging which is not a PRO division. Women already have more options than men 40 and under. They have more division to which to enter.]]> TheZinger SN Board of Directors Sat, 06 Jun 2009 09:41:08 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141443#msg-141443 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141443#msg-141443 Gilligan SN Board of Directors Sat, 06 Jun 2009 03:16:52 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141434#msg-141434 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141434#msg-141434 TheZinger SN Board of Directors Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:59:37 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141388#msg-141388 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141388#msg-141388
Look at the Adv. women's points list... oh wait... there really isn't one, it's mixed with the Am Women.]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:20:43 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141386#msg-141386 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141386#msg-141386
I think that both genders should be treated equally]]> will2003 SN Board of Directors Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:10:26 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141346#msg-141346 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141346#msg-141346
I was just saying maybe in the future there should be another vote... future and should. ;)]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:34:30 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141344#msg-141344 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141344#msg-141344 TheZinger SN Board of Directors Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:30:47 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141338#msg-141338 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141338#msg-141338
I was not trying to call for a new vote on the same issue in just a different way... absolutely not!]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:05:35 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141333#msg-141333 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141333#msg-141333 TheZinger SN Board of Directors Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:42:56 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141331#msg-141331 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141331#msg-141331
Maybe in the future there should be a vote to ammend the rules to accomadate women stepping down.]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:38:57 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141325#msg-141325 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141325#msg-141325 TheZinger SN Board of Directors Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:54:43 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141319#msg-141319 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141319#msg-141319
Josh]]> Hilltopper SN Board of Directors Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:48:48 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141318#msg-141318 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141318#msg-141318
Also, I don't mind releasing the names since we had to publish who Jim's vote:

Voting Yes: Josh Lenox, Don Tomasko, and Mathew Gardner

Voting No: Mike Sidebottom, Barbara Daniels, and Will Corey

SNBOD]]> Hilltopper SN Board of Directors Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:47:13 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141313#msg-141313 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141313#msg-141313 TheZinger SN Board of Directors Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:45:14 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141312#msg-141312 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141312#msg-141312 mike sidebottom SN Board of Directors Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:28:16 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141305#msg-141305 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141305#msg-141305
A player relinquishes amateur status by competing in a Professional division of a SNDG sanctioned event and accepting prize money for finishing in that Professional division.]]> TheZinger SN Board of Directors Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:09:19 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141287#msg-141287 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141287#msg-141287 mike sidebottom SN Board of Directors Thu, 04 Jun 2009 09:32:58 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141285#msg-141285 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141285#msg-141285

I voted yes and my only reason is just because haha if they wanna play let them play. I think they could play better in int but the vote was to play adv. So either way I vote yes!


No biggie on who knows my vote I also voted for McCain haha]]> head SN Board of Directors Thu, 04 Jun 2009 09:28:29 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141271#msg-141271 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141271#msg-141271 mike sidebottom SN Board of Directors Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:59:50 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141261#msg-141261 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141261#msg-141261
And while we are on this topic,, is it 6 months from then end of the season? Or 6 months from the SNAC?]]> TheZinger SN Board of Directors Thu, 04 Jun 2009 00:49:00 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141257#msg-141257 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141257#msg-141257 Gilligan SN Board of Directors Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:32:37 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141256#msg-141256 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141256#msg-141256
1. The SN Treasurer position will be tranfered to Josh Lenox at the SNDC in Pensacola.

2. Will Corey will recieve JK's forum passwords etc so he can take over the forum responsibilities.

3. While JK will be the official TD, there is an alternate TD for the SNPC to cover the event after JK leaves for active duty. Josh Lenox will assist with money issues.

Josh Lenox]]> Hilltopper SN Board of Directors Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:32:24 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141255#msg-141255 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,141255,141255#msg-141255
1. Voted 3-3 to allow Pro women to play ADV Men at the 2009 SNAC. An email will be sent to Jim Orum to break the tie.

2. Mike Sidebottom presented an update on the SNDC players pack.

3. Josh Lenox presented an update on the SNAC players pack.

4. Matthew Gardner discussed opening up nominations for the 2009 BOD slots. (Mike Sidebottom, Barbara Daniels, and Josh Lenox's slots will be up for election.)

5. Discussed status of unpaid events.

SN BOD]]> Hilltopper SN Board of Directors Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:27:54 -0500