So it would seem that a board member thinks it's a bad idea to discuss why he votes particular ways... I don't follow... didn't we elect them so shouldn't they explain their reasoning for voting? I know in todays politics it doesn't seem like our elected representatives don't do that... but I'm pretty sure they are supposed to. For the record, I also sent this message to Will Corey and he did respond and though I didn't agree with his reasons at least he answered me. Here is the exchange: -----------------My first message------------------- I was just curious if you would enlighten me on why you voted against me in helping out with the forum? I've given of myself every where I have gone (including the use of my laptop and wireless connection for SNACs) and have created Bagtag databases for all here to use (including ones that aren't even close to my region). I have given the instructions on how to fix website bugs and the code needed to be replaced. Then when I volunteer to help out (something I typically get paid over $75/hour to do) it gets voted down by half of the board. I would just like a direct response in regards to why you voted the way you did. Thanks, Kevin ------------The response------------ I'm not going to justify why I vote a certain way each time I vote. I believe that starts a bad precedence. So be happy that you have been given this priviledge and don't worry about how it came about. Thanks Marc -----------My response to that----------- So what you are saying is that you shouldn't have to answer to your constituents?! I guess if you are up on current politics then I could see why you might think that is a "bad precedent". -----------The Response---------------- If you insist on stirring things up instead of focusing on moving the SNDG forward then your current priviledges will be short lived. I would advise you not to worry about how and why people vote and to just move on. I will not respond to this matter agian. Thanks Marc ----------------My Response------------- So trying to understand where the resistance to me trying to help out comes from, is "stirring things up"? I feel that you don't even know who I am and maybe we should get to know each other and I figured I'd start by trying to understand why you felt I wouldn't be a good fit to help out. http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148777#msg-148777 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 03:02:20 -0500 Phorum 5.2.15a http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,150013#msg-150013 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,150013#msg-150013 JIM ORUM SN Board of Directors Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:05:39 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,149014#msg-149014 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,149014#msg-149014 TheZinger SN Board of Directors Wed, 23 Sep 2009 00:24:54 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,149001#msg-149001 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,149001#msg-149001

PS: I say that because it is true.]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:00:00 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,149000#msg-149000 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,149000#msg-149000 mike sidebottom SN Board of Directors Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:58:39 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148999#msg-148999 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148999#msg-148999 -------------------------------------------------------
> That is the current issue being discussed. That
> is all I am saying. If it is off base then please
> have him clarify and re-inspire our confidence
> again.
>

"Our"? who are you speaking for? Who's lost confidence after one lousy meeting? I haven't.

> I'm pretty sure that no one WANTS this to be the
> case. We all hope that all the BoD members are
> doing the best they can for the SN.

Well, I for one will give them more than ONE F'n meeting before I start complaining about their performance.

rWc3523]]> Russ3523 SN Board of Directors Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:58:10 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148990#msg-148990 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148990#msg-148990
I'm pretty sure that no one WANTS this to be the case. We all hope that all the BoD members are doing the best they can for the SN.]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:43:16 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148987#msg-148987 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148987#msg-148987
your statement, Gilly, not mine and not D'Arby's....not wanting to re-explain what was already made clear does not equal refusing to be accountable.

no slant there?

that's why a call should've been made, if it bothered you enough to have this thread......

heck, look at the House Rep. that got "reprimanded on the House floor" for not apologizing a second time - you gonna say that made sense?

just sayin'....

Peace, out....]]> bryan griffin SN Board of Directors Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:25:53 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148983#msg-148983 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148983#msg-148983 Gilligan SN Board of Directors Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:12:43 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148982#msg-148982 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148982#msg-148982 mike sidebottom SN Board of Directors Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:08:14 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148980#msg-148980 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148980#msg-148980 -------------------------------------------------------
> ohhhh i got your number o.k.; just like eveyone
> else in s/n land; sorry griff didn't mean to step
> on ya; gilly you will always and must sleep in the
> bed you make or don't make.


I know you had my number (is that better?) Also my number is in the public forum if you wanted it. Or as stated about Marc many other people have my number and you could have gotten it (by many I mean more than just the board).]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:01:54 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148979#msg-148979 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148979#msg-148979
If he misspoke then he should have recognized that and pm'd me again or called me... my number IS on the forum.]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:59:25 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148977#msg-148977 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148977#msg-148977 mike sidebottom SN Board of Directors Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:55:42 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148976#msg-148976 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148976#msg-148976
if he is saying "again" then perhaps you re-read his response...
and if you don't get it, you DON't advertise his personal message as an "I don't have to answer to you or anybody else" b.s. thread,
you instead pick up the phone call the individual and have a clear understanding of views through personal discussion.

Other BoD members had his number - heck in the least you should ALL have each other's numbers....

Clear enough?

And once again, you are stating (above) what YOU think D'Arby thinks NOT what D'Arby actually thinks.....and that in itself is part of the fallacy.

This is one reason email and PM's will NEVER suffice for the clarity of a one on one personal conversation....

Heck, it's why folks get bux as mediators and settlement facilitators.....half the time it's sit 'em down and they will sort it out....

Now, let's put an end to this...."Cheerio" !!]]> bryan griffin SN Board of Directors Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:52:11 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148975#msg-148975 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148975#msg-148975
Hey, if you got a problem with it why didn't you just call me about it? You already have my number.]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:48:15 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148972#msg-148972 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148972#msg-148972 mike sidebottom SN Board of Directors Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:34:28 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148968#msg-148968 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148968#msg-148968
I hope you understand the position that some have taken on this matter.. this isn't against anyone in particular but on a principle that we need to know our board and where they stand.


When a person says "I will not respond to this matter agian." Why should I assume a phone call would change that. I asked him in a one on one setting to present is reason. This gives him all the time in the world to make sure it is said like he means it. Why would a phone call change that? I can think of a reason but I REALLY hope that is not the case.]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:11:05 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148967#msg-148967 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148967#msg-148967 Gilligan SN Board of Directors Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:08:47 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148962#msg-148962 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148962#msg-148962 mike sidebottom SN Board of Directors Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:31:25 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148960#msg-148960 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148960#msg-148960

Mikey S. and Kevin in happier days!

rWc3523]]> Russ3523 SN Board of Directors Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:23:32 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148959#msg-148959 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148959#msg-148959
Start arguing now!!!!]]> Rinkelstein SN Board of Directors Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:11:40 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148958#msg-148958 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148958#msg-148958

Yep, it's dead. Let's bury it now.

rWc3523]]> Russ3523 SN Board of Directors Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:10:27 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148957#msg-148957 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148957#msg-148957

and NO ONE has "secret agendas" or conspiracy theories....this is as basic a volunteer organization as one could have...heck we don't even have by-laws...

the horse is beat and it's quite dead....

did Gilly seek a pnone number from any other Board member? no...he CHOSE to take this route and air phone-sided concerns....

leading to......nothing....as stated.....not a darn thing.....c'est la vie....he has the # now....has he used it?

Good luck Board and I hope you guys work together.....]]> bryan griffin SN Board of Directors Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:05:42 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148953#msg-148953 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148953#msg-148953
MOUNTAIN


Molehill

See the difference?

rWc3523]]> Russ3523 SN Board of Directors Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:58:57 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148950#msg-148950 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148950#msg-148950
and yes gilly you called me after i asked you to; and we accomplished nothing on the phone just as we did not on the forum.

JUST LET IT GO!!!! AND MOVE ON!!!! im just saying.]]> mike sidebottom SN Board of Directors Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:52:43 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148946#msg-148946 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148946#msg-148946
...The issue which is a BIG deal is that Marc refused to answer Kevin's question. It didn't have to be made into a big deal if Marc would have answered him.

Will did...no big deal there. Hilltopper stated his position before the vote...no big deal there. ...statement from Marc...I will not answer your question...BIG PROBLEM. ....as a representative of the SN you need to be ready to answer questions on how you vote.

Getting defensive and closing off communication shows that you weren't thinking with the best interest of the SN, but with your own personal agenda (ANOTHER BIG PROBLEM).

Will and Josh were able to answer...so what's the problem?]]> Bolty-Bolt SN Board of Directors Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:40:30 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148945#msg-148945 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148945#msg-148945
I can't see why Marc or any BOD members' decision in this is such a major issue. If it were for one of the reasons above, something that affected ALL SN PLAYERS, not one person, I'd be concerned. This is getting blown WAY out of proportion.

BTW, the BOD, including MARC, voted IN FAVOR of letting Kevin volunteer. Remember that.

here is is..... "5. Voted 6-0 to ask Brian Moon to allow Kevin Richards the ability to post results and update the schedule as well as look into web site upgrades."

just sayin'


rWc3523]]> Russ3523 SN Board of Directors Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:23:09 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148943#msg-148943 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148943#msg-148943 -------------------------------------------------------
> I say a little bit of patience is the key. Marc
> voted his way for a reason, i would think his
> reason would be because he doesn't know Kevin
> personally nor professionally, only what he
> sees/reads on the forum (this is only a guess). I
> think if 3 of the BOD members had an issue with
> this, then the vote could of been on hold and the
> BOD members could of called or emailed or pm'd
> Kevin asking him what ALL he could bring to the
> table for a professional job like this (apart from
> his personal posts). Since it was already voted
> on then we just need to have patience like Josh
> said. I know nobody wants to get too far backed
> up, but it will work out over time. Marc's
> user-name has only been in use since June I think,
> and he has only posted 10 times thus far, but I'm
> sure (well i hope) he reads what people on the
> forum has to say and hopefully he'll (like others)
> explain certain things he feels that needs
> explaining.


Griff, did they do that????? Jeeeee, NO they didn't.


Marc, i don't get your post at ALL. My last post i tried to give you the benefit of doubt. Why wouldn't you want someone to volunteer their services? What have YOU done to help the SN? Sure you have helped Memphis in a tremendous way, but if Kevin is willing to help out the
SN when why not let him? Is it because of the reason i stated in my last post? If not then what is it? What have YOU done to help the SN as a whole other than Memphis (which I love)? If you're going to vote no for a person to give his expertise, then please give the reason. It seems that you are beating around the bush. I'm not knocking you at all, but since you posted about the subject, I have to call you out for not answering any of the questions that have come to surface. Your first sentence is "Okay it looks like this won't be put to bed until I formally respond to this matter", but you NEVER responded to the matter of the subject at hand. If someone is willing to take his time to help out the BOD (by minimizing what y'all have to do on the forum), then why not support it? I'm not saying your opinion is wrong, just wondering why you wouldn't let Kevin take on this responsibility. I don't think anyone south of north Mississippi and Alabama knows who you are so I/we are wondering what your thoughts are on this matter. I, as well as others, will/would respect your opinion only if we know what it is.]]> TheZinger SN Board of Directors Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:12:40 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148941#msg-148941 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148941#msg-148941 Seems to me that it was being kept under wraps (out of the publics eye) thru PMs until the terse response of "Im not responding.."
This is not how i imagined folks on the BOD would "work" with folks wishing to volunteer for the SN. What a shame.

"Do what I want and say what I want to hear or I wont be talking."
what a crock.

JABBA]]> frzbman SN Board of Directors Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:02:16 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148938#msg-148938 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148938#msg-148938 -------------------------------------------------------
>I've seen that Marc will be an excellent addition to the bod.
>
> Josh

Time will tell. That goes for everyone on the BOD.]]> Dillon_Gourley SN Board of Directors Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:55:54 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148937#msg-148937 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,148777,148937#msg-148937
I hope people will be patient with both our new bod members. I don't think Marc was quite prepared for the intensity of critisism you recieve for a nonpaying position especially over a vote on the losing side of an issue. I've seen that Marc will be an excellent addition to the bod.

Josh]]> Hilltopper SN Board of Directors Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:51:53 -0500