SN Board Minutes 9/15/10 Meeting started at 8:03pm Members present: Marc Darby, Leslie Easterling, Josh Lenox, Jamie Massengle, Justin Tolbert, Kevin Richard (entered at 9:20pm) [b][u]Pro Championship Exemptions[/u][/b] * No merchandise for exemption, cash only. (5-0) * Exemption rasied to $1500 per player/ No limits on exemptions paid by any one person or corporation (4-1) * Player can not receive an exemption two years in a row/ "one exemption for all 3 championships in a two year period" (5-0) - Ex. A player that plays in the Pro Championship 2010 with an exemption, can not get an exemption for any of the other 3 championships in 2011. Player is not eligible for an exemption again until 2012. [b][u]Am Championship Exemptions[/u][/b] * No merchandise exemptions, cash only (5-0) * Exemption raised to $400 per player/ No limits on exemptions paid by any one person or corporation (4-1) [b][u]Moderating the Forum[/u][/b] * John K will moderate the forum for a period of time to help clean it up. * Board will watch the forum to see if it helps, and will continue to discuss cleaning up the forum at the next meeting. * We will discuss what is "appropriate" posting, and how do we define "appropriate". http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177176#msg-177176 Sat, 18 May 2013 23:46:30 -0500 Phorum 5.2.15a http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,178707#msg-178707 Re: SN Board Minutes 9/15/10 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,178707#msg-178707
also, I think it is dumb to let a host city raise money and use this raised money for an exemption - if a tournament is being held and they sell 20 hole sponsorships for $50 each, they have "raised" $1000 - saying they raised the money and can do what they want with it when it comes to exemptions is not fair to those who gave them the hole sponsorships in the first place - those people likely didn't sponsor the event so that the club can then turn around and invite a player on an exemption - this again, is taking away from the total purse

the point of exemptions is to bring extra money to the purse, otherwise we would be defeating the purpose]]> bazkitcase5 SN Board of Directors Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:08:16 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177908#msg-177908 Re: SN Board Minutes 9/15/10 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177908#msg-177908 Seewhere SN Board of Directors Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:28:35 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177907#msg-177907 Re: SN Board Minutes 9/15/10 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177907#msg-177907 Gilligan SN Board of Directors Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:21:15 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177904#msg-177904 Re: SN Board Minutes 9/15/10 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177904#msg-177904 Seewhere SN Board of Directors Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:15:29 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177830#msg-177830 Re: SN Board Minutes 9/15/10 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177830#msg-177830
]]> Bluff Magee SN Board of Directors Tue, 21 Sep 2010 06:30:26 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177824#msg-177824 Re: SN Board Minutes 9/15/10 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177824#msg-177824 -------------------------------------------------------
> Were they upset about the number of exemptions?

YES
>
> That I can understand and that's been sorted out,
> I think. Doesn't help Slaw Dog, but another
> loophole is closed, at least until another is
> found.

Yawn..........
>
> rWc3523]]> Tax Man SN Board of Directors Tue, 21 Sep 2010 00:21:48 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177817#msg-177817 Re: SN Board Minutes 9/15/10 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177817#msg-177817
That I can understand and that's been sorted out, I think. Doesn't help Slaw Dog, but another loophole is closed, at least until another is found.

rWc3523]]> Russ3523 SN Board of Directors Mon, 20 Sep 2010 23:01:54 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177815#msg-177815 Re: SN Board Minutes 9/15/10 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177815#msg-177815
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Bob
maybe RWC, but they where very upset when they where told otherwise and it was alittle late for them to back out

And they wouldn't be upset if the tournament filled up and it was taken away then?]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:52:17 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177813#msg-177813 Re: SN Board Minutes 9/15/10 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177813#msg-177813
And yeah, a guy could enter an SN event and have donated $2, but at least they played one SN event, which is the current rule. It's the principle of the thing, really. I just like the idea of these top-flight players competing in an SN event, rather than taking an exemption. And it's been said before, sanction the event and qualify the whole field for a lot less than $1,500.

rWc3523]]> Russ3523 SN Board of Directors Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:43:07 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177804#msg-177804 Re: SN Board Minutes 9/15/10 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177804#msg-177804 -------------------------------------------------------
> I will make a deal with you.
>
> I will give 200.00 of the 400.00 you are talking
> about if we can end this discussion.
>
> Deal?


What part of the discussion? The part the BOD foolishly wasted 400.00 or the part that 88 bag tags are still not accounted for?

Are you for sweeping it under the rug? Or do you want to know what happened to $1660.00? Seems like more money then the exempt player won, but the BOD would rather vote on that in the first meeting they have.]]> Tax Man SN Board of Directors Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:15:18 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177803#msg-177803 Re: SN Board Minutes 9/15/10 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177803#msg-177803 -------------------------------------------------------
> I'd wager that Slaw Dog would have donated that
> money even if there wasn't an exemption attached
> to it. I still don't believe that sponsors are
> supporting these events just to enter players with
> no SN points.
>
maybe RWC, but they where very upset when they where told otherwise and it was alittle late for them to back out
> How many player exemptions were there in the 2006
> SNPC that Mobile hosted? A good club can raise a
> lot of money without the promise of a player
> exemption.
>
Mobile has the most DG courses in a small area then anywhere else in the country. Not to mention to good TD's WW& Lasonde. Sadly Memphis would have been a joke without the 4k. and was still 700 short of Mobile. I think they are the second biggest SN city as well

> How would it look if the four players in the final
> all came in on exemptions? Jim and Terry's vision
> for the SN was a Worlds-like event for players in
> the Southeast. If I'm wrong, he can correct me.
>
> rWc3523

lol, that is 6k and the likelyhood of that happening are very slim. But I hope one of them puts in 2 dollars next year and still wins. As for the vision, it has come along way with them sitting on the sidelines and letting the TD 's run the series. As you and I both know that is what is/has been done.]]> Tax Man SN Board of Directors Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:10:41 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177784#msg-177784 Re: SN Board Minutes 9/15/10 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177784#msg-177784 > Jim is right
> the SN is going backwards, for various reasons.
>
> Has the BOD gotten any closer to finding out where
> the 88 tags are?? As that is something to worry
> about as Jim got has the new BOD playing right
> into his hand!

You got that right Tax Man!



That's Jamie on the top and Justin on the bottom LOL

Meow , everyone look the other way while Jim sells bag tags all year long and only turns in the money for 18 meeow meeow

Meow, isn't it neat that Jim O sold 8 in one day on Saturday but somehow he only sold 18 last year? Meow Meow, Oh Jim, meow, yes Jim, you're right, there's absolutely no reason to believe what you said on the internet about how many you sold Meow Meow!!!]]> Bluff Magee SN Board of Directors Mon, 20 Sep 2010 21:27:30 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177781#msg-177781 Re: SN Board Minutes 9/15/10 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177781#msg-177781 -------------------------------------------------------
> I will make a deal with you.
>
> I will give 200.00 of the 400.00 you are talking
> about if we can end this discussion.
>
> Deal?


Interesting. One person that allegedly turned in the money for the 88 missing tags from last year (Keith) has offered $200.00 for everyone to shut up about what happened to the funds, and another, Jim O, has already offered $300.00 for everyone to shut up.

That sure is interesting! It is what it is. I wonder, why do the folks that sold tags last year want this kept quiet? Neither Allan nor Jamie have the balls to offer an explanation for their part in the scheme either. Interesting.]]> Bluff Magee SN Board of Directors Mon, 20 Sep 2010 21:19:27 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177780#msg-177780 Re: SN Board Minutes 9/15/10 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177780#msg-177780
How many player exemptions were there in the 2006 SNPC that Mobile hosted? A good club can raise a lot of money without the promise of a player exemption.

How would it look if the four players in the final all came in on exemptions? Jim and Terry's vision for the SN was a Worlds-like event for players in the Southeast. If I'm wrong, he can correct me.

rWc3523]]> Russ3523 SN Board of Directors Mon, 20 Sep 2010 21:12:52 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177772#msg-177772 Re: SN Board Minutes 9/15/10 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177772#msg-177772
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Bob
I will bet you 1500 that it never happens! No one will sponsor 1500 for an exemption

Umm, Slawdog already did... why wouldn't someone do similar?]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:18:05 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177766#msg-177766 Re: SN Board Minutes 9/15/10 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177766#msg-177766
I will give 200.00 of the 400.00 you are talking about if we can end this discussion.

Deal?]]> Keith Bodin SN Board of Directors Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:56:37 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177765#msg-177765 Re: SN Board Minutes 9/15/10 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177765#msg-177765 -------------------------------------------------------
> Sure it is... are you gonna take away the
> exemption at that point, after someone has already
> paid for it?

I will bet you 1500 that it never happens! No one will sponsor 1500 for an exemption, especialy if you limit the host club from being able to do what THEY WANT WITH the FUNDS THEY raise! Jim is right the SN is going backwards, for various reasons.

Has the BOD gotten any closer to finding out where the 88 tags are?? As that is something to worry about as Jim got has the new BOD playing right into his hand! And who is going to give the players back the 400 that was wasted????]]> Tax Man SN Board of Directors Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:39:55 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177726#msg-177726 Re: SN Board Minutes 9/15/10 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177726#msg-177726 Gilligan SN Board of Directors Mon, 20 Sep 2010 16:55:02 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177696#msg-177696 Re: SN Board Minutes 9/15/10 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177696#msg-177696 -------------------------------------------------------
> Arkansas filled up both years they hosted. 144 in
> 08 and 146 in 09


If it fills up then the sponsor issue is not a problem]]> Tax Man SN Board of Directors Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:34:06 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177690#msg-177690 Re: SN Board Minutes 9/15/10 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177690#msg-177690 Keith Bodin SN Board of Directors Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:09:08 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177688#msg-177688 Re: SN Board Minutes 9/15/10 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177688#msg-177688 -------------------------------------------------------
> I also agree with Jim and Keith..no points...no
> play..period....

The one thing Jim actualy got right is the SNPC is going backwards. One reason no one can account for the money. Bag tags uncollected fees... And secondly the great event in Mobile was generated from tons of sponsorship so without that you will never have that big of a payout again. It still all comes down to the host and of course keeping track of the funds.]]> Tax Man SN Board of Directors Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:06:31 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177620#msg-177620 Re: SN Board Minutes 9/15/10 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177620#msg-177620 Crunchyfrolfer SN Board of Directors Mon, 20 Sep 2010 09:44:58 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177572#msg-177572 Re: SN Board Minutes 9/15/10 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177572#msg-177572
Same reason Innova gives your son so much goodies. It's marketing.]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:17:40 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177570#msg-177570 Re: SN Board Minutes 9/15/10 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177570#msg-177570 JIM ORUM SN Board of Directors Sun, 19 Sep 2010 17:28:05 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177562#msg-177562 Re: SN Board Minutes 9/15/10 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177562#msg-177562
I agree with JimO on this one No points NO play! Find a SN event some where and play in it if you want to play the SNC. It's really just that simple!]]> Keith Bodin SN Board of Directors Sun, 19 Sep 2010 16:26:37 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177561#msg-177561 Re: SN Board Minutes 9/15/10 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177561#msg-177561
MOBILE PAYOUT WAS $25,000.00 THE LAST TIME WE HOSTED IT, THE TWO PRO PLAYERS THAT WAS ALLOWED TO PLAY WITH NO SN POINTS ADDED ONLY $160.00 DOLLARS TO THE PURSE , IF IT WAS REAL MONEY THE PURSE WOULD OF BEEN $27,0000.00 NOT SURE WHY SOME DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT. sn TRIED TO PLUG THAT LOOP HOLE THE VERY NEXT YEAR.]]> JIM ORUM SN Board of Directors Sun, 19 Sep 2010 15:45:56 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177517#msg-177517 Re: SN Board Minutes 9/15/10 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177517#msg-177517 Discjazz SN Board of Directors Sat, 18 Sep 2010 14:20:17 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177516#msg-177516 Re: SN Board Minutes 9/15/10 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177516#msg-177516
Quote
Gilligan
You could take your cash (less than 1k) and sponsor said tournament and declare your money make that tournament an SN qualifier and you are putting your money up to pay the $2 bucks a head... might need to put in some extra money to sweeten the deal... but doubt you would need more than 1k for it. Now you just got the SN in a MUCH bigger spotlight and you qualified just about every top pro in the country... now they can all come and play.

Recognition and top players, with no exemptions needed... win win!

Now, that makes even more sense... because it's 1.5k... you know how many big tournaments you could make SN qualifiers with 1.5k!?]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Sat, 18 Sep 2010 13:51:51 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177514#msg-177514 Re: SN Board Minutes 9/15/10 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177514#msg-177514
I could not object to the fairness of this rule either but having world champions play the SNC and want to play it again has promoted the series in a way money could not. We can reasonably credit that to past sponsorship exemptions. As long as the points-having-players collectively aren’t getting ripped off I am OK with it.

If exempted players are unlikely to win much more money collectively than they bring in, then neither the players collectively, the exempted player or the sponsor are losing anything they bargained for on the deal. Of course there may be individual losers who don’t shoot as well as an exempted player, but let us not make a rule just to avoid competition. The worst case money scenario for the players collectively is when there is only one (1) exempted player (another good reason for the increase to $1,500). If we are going to allow these we really need at least three (3) sponsor exempted players in the Open division to reasonably assure they increase collective pay out to the points-having-players. There is your priority if money is the issue.]]> Discjazz SN Board of Directors Sat, 18 Sep 2010 13:22:56 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177511#msg-177511 Re: SN Board Minutes 9/15/10 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,177176,177511#msg-177511 Keith Bodin SN Board of Directors Sat, 18 Sep 2010 12:50:02 -0500