BOD Minutes 1/5/11 Members Present: Leslie Easterling, Jamie Massengle, Kevin Richard, Justin Tolbert 8:10pm [b][u]Tournament Discussions[/u][/b] - Jubilee tournament sanctioning was validated 4-0 - AL states discussed but not voted on, due to the fact that fees weren't collected. - Voted to add "must contact BOD 30 days prior to tournament for sanctioning" if it doesn't meet 2 rounds of 18 (4-0) [b]Handbook Update[/b] - Reviewed Pro Women rule voted on last year, and working to get it added to the guidelines [b]BOD Resignation[/b] - Marc Darby resigned at 8:45pm from his BOD position - Following guidelines... Dillion G. will be contacted to see if he is still interested in the position http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,185988#msg-185988 Tue, 21 May 2013 13:14:49 -0500 Phorum 5.2.15a http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186165#msg-186165 Re: BOD Minutes 1/5/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186165#msg-186165 -------------------------------------------------------
> Leslie,
> I think a better analogy would be if a congress
> person steps down then there is an election in
> that district for the replacement and not just the
> person who came in second taking his spot....


Much better example! My point is "there is a process", and I think we should take a look at ours.

Leslie]]> lesliez SN Board of Directors Sun, 09 Jan 2011 19:08:39 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186160#msg-186160 Re: BOD Minutes 1/5/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186160#msg-186160
End of the story is that as of the deadline for nominations we had two people running for 3 seats (almost 4). We had to extend deadlines WAY beyond any other time just to get the number of people to run that equaled the amount of seats we had open. Now we are suggesting we do that all over again?

I think the process is just fine the way it is... it's not Dillon's fault that no one else wanted to run and that those that got phoned in didn't even stick it out. They had plenty of time to step up at the right time. Hell, if we had new elections when someone resigned, then last year we would have had FOUR elections!!!

Just a bit retarded.]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Sun, 09 Jan 2011 14:58:54 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186159#msg-186159 Re: BOD Minutes 1/5/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186159#msg-186159
I think it's funny yall want to turn down a volunteer whos willing to dedicate their time for this orginization. No one else even ran, had a hard time even getting 4 people to run... Do what yall wish.]]> Dillon Gourley SN Board of Directors Sun, 09 Jan 2011 14:31:53 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186157#msg-186157 Re: BOD Minutes 1/5/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186157#msg-186157 I think a better analogy would be if a congress person steps down then there is an election in that district for the replacement and not just the person who came in second taking his spot....]]> Keith Bodin SN Board of Directors Sun, 09 Jan 2011 13:41:27 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186155#msg-186155 Re: BOD Minutes 1/5/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186155#msg-186155
The reason for my above post was......any other election wouldn't just take the runner up (because they were not the people's choice), but they have a process for what to do if someone resigns, dies, etc. For example, if the President was to resign, then the vice president would take their place, and if the Vice Presidnet resigns, (if I'm not mistaken) the GOP takes over. So, that was my reasoning for us (the BOD) to look at the process. Don't take it personal.

Dillon Gourley Wrote:
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> Anyone who has a problem can PM me and let me
> know. Looks like we have a couple that do.]]> lesliez SN Board of Directors Sun, 09 Jan 2011 13:08:02 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186152#msg-186152 Re: BOD Minutes 1/5/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186152#msg-186152 mike sidebottom SN Board of Directors Sun, 09 Jan 2011 11:34:17 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186151#msg-186151 Re: BOD Minutes 1/5/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186151#msg-186151 couple that do.]]> Dillon Gourley SN Board of Directors Sun, 09 Jan 2011 10:52:03 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186149#msg-186149 Re: BOD Minutes 1/5/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186149#msg-186149
Leslie]]> lesliez SN Board of Directors Sun, 09 Jan 2011 10:23:58 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186147#msg-186147 Re: BOD Minutes 1/5/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186147#msg-186147
I really don’t see the problem with un-elected people serving since there are so few who want to. It basically means anybody willing can do it.

The problem is people not wanting to serve, not unelected people serving. I still agree with Jim in principal but until more people want to serve, there is no benefit to more elections.]]> Discjazz SN Board of Directors Sun, 09 Jan 2011 10:08:56 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186145#msg-186145 Re: BOD Minutes 1/5/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186145#msg-186145 Dillon Gourley SN Board of Directors Sun, 09 Jan 2011 08:02:27 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186143#msg-186143 Re: BOD Minutes 1/5/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186143#msg-186143
Maybe you should take a step back and look at the fact that the people that you wanted in there couldn't even stick it out and yet the people that you didn't want in there have at least been able to stick it out and do a fair share of work for the SN. How about give those that got cheated out of a fair election their credit when they step up when others stepped down and fill their shoes and sometimes go beyond.]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Sat, 08 Jan 2011 22:15:17 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186138#msg-186138 Re: BOD Minutes 1/5/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186138#msg-186138
It's not worth voting anymore because the ones you support bail and are replaced by the ones you didn't vote for.


rWc3523]]> Russ3523 SN Board of Directors Sat, 08 Jan 2011 19:18:25 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186137#msg-186137 Re: BOD Minutes 1/5/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186137#msg-186137 JIM ORUM SN Board of Directors Sat, 08 Jan 2011 18:26:10 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186125#msg-186125 Re: BOD Minutes 1/5/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186125#msg-186125
rWc3523]]> Russ3523 SN Board of Directors Fri, 07 Jan 2011 20:10:10 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186115#msg-186115 Re: BOD Minutes 1/5/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186115#msg-186115 -------------------------------------------------------
> Well the only way to learn is by making a mistake.
> Y'all are still doing good, I personally can see
> an improvement in the last few months.


Well, not hard to improve on a 2 person board. :p (I know what you meant.)]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Fri, 07 Jan 2011 15:15:39 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186114#msg-186114 Re: BOD Minutes 1/5/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186114#msg-186114
Quote

Most of the bod knew about the situation before the tournament.

Zinger, there is NO way to know that most the board knew about the issue. We don't and may never know if Darby got the email, I haven't spoken with Josh since before this to know if he got the email. We also don't know if J got the email, as far as I know, none of those guys replied to it. So basically the 3 of us that have responded here are the only ones that I can tell you for sure actually knew about the problem before it was too late.]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Fri, 07 Jan 2011 15:14:41 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186113#msg-186113 Re: BOD Minutes 1/5/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186113#msg-186113 TheZinger SN Board of Directors Fri, 07 Jan 2011 15:11:50 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186112#msg-186112 Re: BOD Minutes 1/5/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186112#msg-186112 -------------------------------------------------------
> Most of the bod knew about the situation before
> the tournament. It doesn't matter it y'all could
> have voted on it or not, a reply saying anything
> would, IMO, have been better than no reply. That's
> all I'm saying.

We've realized this. That's why we've implemented the 30 days notice. Like I said, I think it ultimately boils down to bad timing on several parties' parts. Not only were we contacted at an awkward time, but we had a BoD member in the process of resigning, etc. etc.

Now that we've seen a fault in the system, we can correct it. Thanks for the input guys and gals.]]> jtolbert SN Board of Directors Fri, 07 Jan 2011 14:43:18 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186111#msg-186111 Re: BOD Minutes 1/5/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186111#msg-186111
Just to clarify for Gilligan, I responded to the TD and Cc'd not just Leslie but all the SN Board members.

Here was my email:

Chris
I will forward this to the SN Board. It's there call. If you have been following the forums lately there was an issue recently concerning a tournament that wasn't 2 full rounds of 18. The board did put out this statement:

The SN welcomes a wide variety of tournaments for sanctioning however to help maintain the integrity of the series we ask that the tournament be at least 2 rounds of 18. If your tournament doesn’t meet that qualification you can still apply for sanctioning however sanctioning will be at the discretion of the SN Board.

I know the Alabama State Championships is one of the longest running disc golf tournaments and hope you they allow sanctioning.

Let me know how it turns out and if approved will be happy to post to the SN schedule.

(I'm cc'ing the SN Board members they are Josh Lenox, Marc Darby, Leslie Easterling, Kevin Richard, Justin Tolbert, and Jamie Massengale respectively)

Thanks
John k
______________________________

JOhn k]]> John K SN Board of Directors Fri, 07 Jan 2011 14:33:27 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186109#msg-186109 Re: BOD Minutes 1/5/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186109#msg-186109 -------------------------------------------------------
> Well for the future, if a td sends an email and is
> waiting for an answer, a 'I'm sorry, but due to
> the holidays and the two week notice, we won't be
> able to vote on this issue this year' is better
> than a no response at all.

The great thing is...we as the BOD....agreed that this could have been handled better on both ends, and to avoid this happening in the future for us and/or the future BODs, we added the 30 days prior. We don't realize there's a problem till it happens, and all we can do is try to fix the problem for the future rather than assume it won't happen again.

Thanks for your understanding!]]> lesliez SN Board of Directors Fri, 07 Jan 2011 13:12:13 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186108#msg-186108 Re: BOD Minutes 1/5/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186108#msg-186108 TheZinger SN Board of Directors Fri, 07 Jan 2011 13:03:15 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186107#msg-186107 Re: BOD Minutes 1/5/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186107#msg-186107 TheZinger SN Board of Directors Fri, 07 Jan 2011 13:01:27 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186106#msg-186106 Re: BOD Minutes 1/5/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186106#msg-186106 -------------------------------------------------------
> Well for the future, if a td sends an email and is
> waiting for an answer, a 'I'm sorry, but due to
> the holidays and the two week notice, we won't be
> able to vote on this issue this year' is better
> than a no response at all.

I completely agree. I wish I could edit my previous post. You lose that function on this forum for some reason. I meant integrity, not intregrity. LOL]]> Karen J. SN Board of Directors Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:59:36 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186103#msg-186103 Re: BOD Minutes 1/5/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186103#msg-186103
Very long line of communication that takes time in and of itself. Also, we were of course HOPING others would chime in... but without them communicating to us that they weren't going to communicate with us, it is really hard to tell someone something which you don't know.]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:38:21 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186101#msg-186101 Re: BOD Minutes 1/5/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186101#msg-186101 TheZinger SN Board of Directors Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:04:54 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186097#msg-186097 Re: BOD Minutes 1/5/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186097#msg-186097 Gilligan SN Board of Directors Fri, 07 Jan 2011 11:03:13 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186095#msg-186095 Re: BOD Minutes 1/5/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186095#msg-186095 -------------------------------------------------------
> So there was never a BOD member on the Internet or
> the forum at all during those two weeks? And why
> fo you think you must be a Professtional in order
> to act professional?

It's not the matter of being a professional in order to act professional. It's the matter acting as a professional in regards to timely response. If this were my only responsibility, I could answer every question ASAP. However, due to the Christmas break, we couldn't get enough people together to actually "discuss" it.

Honestly, I would never cast a vote over the phone in regards to this situation. There are things that I would want to talk about that ALL BoD members need to be in earshot of, not just the person who is calling me. I also would want the opinion of the other 5 members straight from their mouths, not through a mediator.

I know of 2 BoD members that DID get the e-mail and had internet access. But, again, that's not enough to make a decision. I had no internet access. My internet access is limited to when I'm at work and on Wednesday nights for the meetings, period. Being a school teacher, I was out for 2 weeks without internet access. So, even if they HAD called me, I would have either not voted or voted to not sanction due to the guidelines and setting a precedent.]]> jtolbert SN Board of Directors Fri, 07 Jan 2011 10:56:46 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186087#msg-186087 Re: BOD Minutes 1/5/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186087#msg-186087 Gilligan SN Board of Directors Fri, 07 Jan 2011 10:25:24 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186081#msg-186081 Re: BOD Minutes 1/5/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186081#msg-186081 TheZinger SN Board of Directors Fri, 07 Jan 2011 09:37:41 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186079#msg-186079 Re: BOD Minutes 1/5/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,185988,186079#msg-186079
I'm not viewing the BoD as the "bad guy", and I' sorry that you are taking it that way. I don't feel that you are attacking me in any way. An attack would be calling me a name or using profanity towards me. By the way, I am happy that you are addressing the forum issues and trying to make it have a professional standard. Regarding Alabama States, I view it as Southern Nationals making a mistake that should not have been made. I agree that it was not handled efficiently. One email or phone call to the td is not too much to ask in sixteen or more days. I do know you are volunteers, not professionals. If you want SN to be treated like a professional organization with intregrity, then you have to respond in a timely matter. I agree that the discussion was necessary, and I am quite happy that you are addressing it. Thank you for listening.

Karen]]> Karen J. SN Board of Directors Fri, 07 Jan 2011 09:24:58 -0600