BoD Minutes 1/19/11 Members Present: Leslie Easterling, Josh Lenox, Jamie Massengle, Kevin Richard, Justin Tolbert, Dillon Gourley (entered at 8:22pm) Meeting started at 8:00pm [b][u]Violations[/u][/b] * Motion passed 6-0 to Ban Mike Kernan for second violation. He will have 90 days of removal from forum. * Discussed Daniel Mowery being added to violation list from 12/15/10 meeting * Add to letter of banning... "Any attempts to circumvent he ban will result in an extension of the ban to be determined by the BoD"/ Discussed have extra 90 days tacked on (we will continue to discuss this process at future meetings) Tabled for next meeting.... Further discussion on sanctioning of tournaments and process of BoD resignation. Meeting ended at 9:30pm http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186711#msg-186711 Wed, 19 Jun 2013 06:26:05 -0500 Phorum 5.2.15a http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186862#msg-186862 Re: BoD Minutes 1/19/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186862#msg-186862 mike sidebottom SN Board of Directors Sat, 22 Jan 2011 08:14:35 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186846#msg-186846 Re: BoD Minutes 1/19/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186846#msg-186846 -------------------------------------------------------
> Mike, the guidlines go back to middle of December
> I believe. So almost a month and we've only had 3
> violators. Not bad considering the garbage that
> use to be on here.


To add... this is also the same set of guidelines that were brought up over a year ago for discussion. In all that time no one brought up any issues with it (besides me ;) ).

Things were said left and right before we enacted these policies... all that ceased at that point. Seems like just about everyone got the message.]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:08:30 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186845#msg-186845 Re: BoD Minutes 1/19/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186845#msg-186845
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SN Forum Guidlines
1. Profanity (including creative misspellings & keystrokes to circumvent the profanity filter)

Just for the ones who can't grasp why he was banned...]]> Dillon Gourley SN Board of Directors Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:50:27 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186844#msg-186844 Re: BoD Minutes 1/19/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186844#msg-186844
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Keith
The questions in this post are rhetorical and don't require or need answers.

Definition of RHETORICAL
1
a : of, relating to, or concerned with rhetoric b : employed for rhetorical effect; especially : asked merely for effect with no answer expected <a rhetorical question>
2
a : given to rhetoric : grandiloquent b : verbal
— rhe·tor·i·cal·ly \-i-k(ə-)lē\ adverb
See rhetorical defined for English-language learners »

Just in case y'all don't understand the word rhetorical.......]]> Keith Bodin SN Board of Directors Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:26:07 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186843#msg-186843 Re: BoD Minutes 1/19/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186843#msg-186843 Dillon Gourley SN Board of Directors Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:22:44 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186842#msg-186842 Re: BoD Minutes 1/19/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186842#msg-186842 mike sidebottom SN Board of Directors Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:04:21 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186839#msg-186839 Re: BoD Minutes 1/19/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186839#msg-186839
Point is that we ALL have to abide by these new rules no matter how "important" that person is (in fact maybe even MORE so because of how important that person is).]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:54:44 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186838#msg-186838 Re: BoD Minutes 1/19/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186838#msg-186838
Do you agree with these guidlines or not ? If anyone has an ideas on how to handle this better please, let me know. I will bring it up at the next meeting.]]> Dillon Gourley SN Board of Directors Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:54:36 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186837#msg-186837 Re: BoD Minutes 1/19/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186837#msg-186837 mike sidebottom SN Board of Directors Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:41:10 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186835#msg-186835 Re: BoD Minutes 1/19/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186835#msg-186835 There have been others who have said as much against the BoD as Kernan, if not more. They haven't received any sort of warning or PM from us in regards to it. They've been able to speak their mind, and they did it as an adult that can control themself.
You may not deem the "a-word" as profanity. However, it was made clear to him in his warning, and a subsequent PM from me, that the word was not acceptable. If the word is a part of your every day vocabulary, that doesn't mean it's acceptable. On a private forum, you must conform to the guidelines that are in place.


Keith Bodin Wrote:
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> I believe the BOD knew all along they wanted Mike
> off the forum. I believe the BOD took the 1st
> opportunity offered to get rid of him. What is to
> stop the BOD from finding someone else to put in
> their cross-hairs when they don't agree with that
> person's post? I strongly disagree with a adult
> being banned for a word that is by no mean
> profanity. If this is the direction you are going
> to take, Then make a list of words the BOD deems
> inappropriate for use on the forum. Or is it a
> better use of time to blindside the people you
> don't want posting?
>
> The questions in this post are rhetorical and
> don't require or need answers.]]> jtolbert SN Board of Directors Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:50:46 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186831#msg-186831 Re: BoD Minutes 1/19/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186831#msg-186831
All of these points were (I thought) addressed to satisfaction. You yourself agreed once put into perspective that if you tell someone that X is not allowed and then they immediately post X then action should be taken.

I also explained to you VERY clearly that Kernan was in NO way in ANY cross hairs. Posters are in sole control of what they post.

You are welcome to post EVERY concern that you do... we just would appreciate you do that with out using curse words. Just the same as I'm sure I'm welcome to express my points of view in your home... but I bet there is a line I could cross with my language around your family. At some point you will ask me to refrain from certain words, if I didn't abide by that request I imagine that I would be (at the LEAST) shown the door and asked to leave.

Do you not agree with that?]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:18:49 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186828#msg-186828 Re: BoD Minutes 1/19/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186828#msg-186828 Dillon Gourley SN Board of Directors Fri, 21 Jan 2011 12:53:46 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186825#msg-186825 Re: BoD Minutes 1/19/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186825#msg-186825
The questions in this post are rhetorical and don't require or need answers.]]> Keith Bodin SN Board of Directors Fri, 21 Jan 2011 12:47:43 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186823#msg-186823 Re: BoD Minutes 1/19/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186823#msg-186823 If we were to give him a "second chance" on this, that would mean that we would have to be giving everyone from here on out a "second chance" after they've already been warned.
After the initial warning was issued, there was an argument from the recipient about whether or not what he said was in violation. I clearly stated to him what the violation was. He chose to do it again anyways. We did what we had to do.]]> jtolbert SN Board of Directors Fri, 21 Jan 2011 12:25:48 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186814#msg-186814 Re: BoD Minutes 1/19/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186814#msg-186814
Being on the Board is a tough thing for volunteers to do. Especially when it comes down to being FORCED to 'discpline' a fellow golfer. Kernan has done a lot of good over the years but he has been a thorn in the side of everybody who has tried to keep the forum a family and sponsor friendly place to check out SN golf. I know it was a tough decision but ya'll followed the guidelines. Thanks to all of you for your efforts and time.

Inkjunky, put a name with your post and people will give more consideration to your posts and opinions.]]> Robert 'Mac' SN Board of Directors Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:49:53 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186804#msg-186804 Re: BoD Minutes 1/19/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186804#msg-186804
We spend very little time with warnings now but it took up a couple of meetings ironing out what was a violation and what wasn't. All part of the process.]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:48:05 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186803#msg-186803 Re: BoD Minutes 1/19/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186803#msg-186803 Dillon Gourley SN Board of Directors Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:41:24 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186801#msg-186801 Re: BoD Minutes 1/19/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186801#msg-186801 inkjunky SN Board of Directors Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:29:31 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186798#msg-186798 Re: BoD Minutes 1/19/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186798#msg-186798 Dillon Gourley SN Board of Directors Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:18:06 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186796#msg-186796 Re: BoD Minutes 1/19/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186796#msg-186796 Basically, we're doing a lot more than just the hour or hour and a half that you're seeing in the minutes. The minutes are just covering the things we have to get together and vote on.

I really don't think a "team" that works on the forums would work. It's hard enough getting anybody to step up and do anything. It seems right now that the team would be Leslie, Kevin, myself, and maybe Dillon (don't know much yet). We're the ones that do the most reponding through PMs and spot-checking posts. Thanks for the idea though. I have my own idea of how the forum should be managed, but it's not possible with our current hosting situation.]]> jtolbert SN Board of Directors Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:42:06 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186795#msg-186795 Re: BoD Minutes 1/19/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186795#msg-186795 PM sent.]]> Keith Bodin SN Board of Directors Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:31:03 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186783#msg-186783 Re: BoD Minutes 1/19/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186783#msg-186783 Robert 'Mac' SN Board of Directors Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:30:48 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186778#msg-186778 Re: BoD Minutes 1/19/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186778#msg-186778 Keith Bodin SN Board of Directors Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:46:17 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186772#msg-186772 Re: BoD Minutes 1/19/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186772#msg-186772
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Keith Bodin
1/2(!)

Hmmmm.]]> Dillon Gourley SN Board of Directors Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:31:25 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186767#msg-186767 Re: BoD Minutes 1/19/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186767#msg-186767 -------------------------------------------------------
> I agree Bolt... but the players have been asking
> for the forums to be cleaned up for a long time.
> It certainly doesn't do any good to create
> guidelines and the spend all our time cleaning up
> stuff that violates... there has to be
> repercussions for violations.
>
> I just wish people would follow the guidelines and
> then we could get focused on other issues vs this
> trivial stuff. I'm sure some people feel that
> this should be our top priority. Basically, and
> you know this, you will never please everyone.


I hear ya.]]> Bolty-Bolt SN Board of Directors Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:16:50 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186765#msg-186765 Re: BoD Minutes 1/19/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186765#msg-186765
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Keith
I will be expecting my warning soon.

What for? You didn't say anything the broke the rules... You are absolutely welcome to voice your opinions good or bad about the BoD and any decisions we make. We need this sort of feed back so we can better understand the players. We just think it can be done without any sort of profanity.]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:09:48 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186764#msg-186764 Re: BoD Minutes 1/19/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186764#msg-186764 Robert 'Mac' SN Board of Directors Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:02:46 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186762#msg-186762 Re: BoD Minutes 1/19/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186762#msg-186762
I will be expecting my warning soon.]]> Keith Bodin SN Board of Directors Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:39:35 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186761#msg-186761 Re: BoD Minutes 1/19/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186761#msg-186761 Gilligan SN Board of Directors Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:30:04 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186760#msg-186760 Re: BoD Minutes 1/19/11 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186711,186760#msg-186760 bigal5657 SN Board of Directors Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:25:12 -0600