Double standards of the Board of Directors [b]Quote -[/b] Scottyd Re: City Park New Orleans Preview November 15, 2010 02:44PM Registered: 8 months ago Posts: 207 my education huh....show ur punk up boy..ill see u friday n ill see how much u wanna talk then boy..i dont take kindly to goddamn personal attacks from sum punk like you..tip.dont sign up cuz after i see u mike kernan you wont b playin boy..smart on the internet huh.ill see u friday boy Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/16/2010 09:10PM by lesliez. I don't understand. Why would Mike get banned for using a harmless word like *edited* (which as you can see is not scrambled by the forum filter), but when someone makes a rather violent threat against Mike, not even a warning gets issued? It's no wonder that the entire SN Board has been banned from playing in the 2011 SNAC. Mike has been forced to take the law into his own hands since there is an obvious double standard when it comes to him. I and many of others of NO Team support Mike's decision to issue the ban until his sentence is reduced. No way should someone be banned for 90 days for *edited* when violent threats go unpunished. By the way, Mike did show up at that tournament anyway, but ScottyD did not. I guess Scotty D is as afraid of Mike as the SN Board is. With good reason---don't mess with him, he was trained in the Special Olympian Forces! Eric "Scuba" Nolte President of The Free Mike Kernan Foundation Please contact me to purchase a Free Mike Kernan T-shirt! http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,186895#msg-186895 Thu, 23 May 2013 12:43:06 -0500 Phorum 5.2.15a http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188217#msg-188217 Re: Double standards of the Board of Directors http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188217#msg-188217 -------------------------------------------------------
> She sounds like a smart woman. ;)

That she is!]]> jtolbert SN Board of Directors Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:11:14 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188209#msg-188209 Re: Double standards of the Board of Directors http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188209#msg-188209
JOhn k]]> John K SN Board of Directors Fri, 04 Feb 2011 13:17:42 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188201#msg-188201 Re: Double standards of the Board of Directors http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188201#msg-188201
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Justin
My wife ... said, "Wow, you really sound like a jerk."

She sounds like a smart woman. ;)

John... I guess I will just leave it at this. I'm glad that I was able to tell the difference between your sarcasm and the SN's official stance.

Understand, your words above don't go unheeded.]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Fri, 04 Feb 2011 12:58:06 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188194#msg-188194 Re: Double standards of the Board of Directors http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188194#msg-188194
I think that sarcasm and an aggressive defensiveness mechanism are some of your individual characteristics (again my perception); I just don’t think in your position those traits serve you well at times.

JOhn k]]> John K SN Board of Directors Fri, 04 Feb 2011 11:31:34 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188191#msg-188191 Re: Double standards of the Board of Directors http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188191#msg-188191
Tax Man Wrote:
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> It depends on your definition. I think him talking
> about things that have happened in the past about
> others is abuse to the people who he is suppose to
> be serving. The t-shirt remark is another example
> of the 2 of you making light of players concern.
> Even if you all dis agree with others you should
> try and refrain from joking as you never know how
> someone else percieves it.

Ok, I'll accept that. I will say that it definitely wasn't intended to be taken the way that you interpreted it. I have more of a nerdy sense of humor, so weird things make me laugh. It was honestly just a statement about how seeing a t-shirt that said "Keyboard Heroes" would be hilarious.
It's ironic that you bring up how other people perceive things. My wife was talking to me about that last night. She was watching me type one of my responses on a different thread and said, "Wow, you really sound like a jerk." I was shocked, because my intended tone and wording wasn't meant to be that way. The difficulty with reading these posts on the internet lies in the absence of tone and inflection. My posts may come across condescending, but I'm really just trying to be straight-forward. I'm going to try my best to be more conscious of that. I'll keep my personal jokes and things like that to PMs as to not give the wrong impression.

> > Kevin only uses his moderator priviledges when
> > the board approves it. He doesn't do anything as a
> > moderator without the rest of us knowing.
> >
> That is not true as he moved the post about the
> bod not being able to play in the snac. He then
> said I was mis representing the SN bod, which was
> not the case as i was speaking for the tournament
> bod. And please do not try and say you all get
> together before a post is removed. Or where you
> trying to say he removes threads that the bod
> voted on in terms of guidelines? But we all know
> you all do whatever you want and are slowly
> destroying the series wether you think so or not.
> You just ran the SNAC TD and assitant out of
> running it for starters!

Please be careful when you speak in generalities, such as "we all know." I've received more appreciation PMs than I have "hate-mail". That's not to say that there are more of one than the other, but it does mean to say that everyone is not of the same mind.
Maybe I should clarify and stress something. From the BoD's perspective, Gilligan hasn't used his moderator priviledges in an abusive way. We've seen and determined that he has used correct judgment. The removal of the post about the SNACs and people being banned can definitely cause some controversy. I see that. However, honestly, I do agree with him removing it. Not as an act of censorship, but to keep it from blowing the situation much more out of proportion. For example, that post was briefly seen and caused some to look at Steve Timm and his tournament in the same light as the SNAC. I'm not saying that was ok or not, but it happened. It gave some people the wrong impression of what was going on. I'm sure you are aware, but according to an e-mail I received there was more than just 8 people that would potentially be banned. The number of people that were threatened to be banned were in the hundreds.
As far as running off the TD of the SNAC, I spoke with Kernan directly on the phone a little more than a week ago. He addressed his concerns and what he thought wasn't fair about the ban and what was fair about the ban. We received much feedback from the rest of the SN about what was unfair about the ban as well. When the BoD went in and corrected what the SN players wanted in regards to the ban, he resigned as TD. I'm sorry if I'm missing how he was "ran off".

> maybe a few people asked but the majority could
> care less about you all's crusade with cleaning up
> the forums. This site has been here for many a
> year longer then the 2 of you have been playing .
> And was doing just fine before you all started
> your crusade!!

It's difficult to say what the majority really is in the SN. The people that post on the forums doesn't give a very accurate picture of the majority. To be honest, there have only been a handful of people complain about the guidelines that I've noticed. I look at it from this perspective: it really shouldn't cause people to stop reading the forums if there's no profanity, nudity, etc.; however, it could cause people to stop reading the forums with there being profanity, nudity, etc. The BoD received enough PMs, calls, and in-person conversations about cleaning up the forum to cause us to take action.
Also, referencing how long someone has been playing or participating in this organization and sport is irrelevant (I believe). Things evolve and change. Being on any type of board doesn't require particular performance characteristics within that field. For example, school boards contain lawyers and professionals within the community, not necessarily teachers. Finance Advisory Boards contain people who are good stewards of their money, not necessarily bankers and CPAs. The SN board has been in need of people that can dedicate time, listen to what the players are requesting for them to put in place, make adjustments as necessary, and continue pushing the series forward versus remaining stagnant. Playing disc golf for 50 years doesn't necessarily mean you can do "all of the above". It can't hurt, but it's not a given advantage.]]> jtolbert SN Board of Directors Fri, 04 Feb 2011 11:25:06 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188185#msg-188185 Re: Double standards of the Board of Directors http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188185#msg-188185
So in that sense I was more on topic than anyone else of recent in this post. *shrug*]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:56:05 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188183#msg-188183 Re: Double standards of the Board of Directors http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188183#msg-188183 -------------------------------------------------------
> That was my first attempt... That didn't seem to
> work so I used a touch of sarcasm to stress my
> point.
>
> You have done the same in the past.

Yet again you continue to have to try and have the last word!


And have to throw something about the past or someone elses actions in to try and defend your actions.

Now wonder this thread was started :o}~]]> Tax Man SN Board of Directors Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:50:53 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188181#msg-188181 Re: Double standards of the Board of Directors http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188181#msg-188181
You have done the same in the past.]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:41:47 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188179#msg-188179 Re: Double standards of the Board of Directors http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188179#msg-188179
However Gilligan your response to Rob is part of the reason that to some you have a negative image on these boards...

"But if someone post up some personal information about you such as your cc numbers or your social... I'll make sure to contact that person first or get 3 members approval (even though that can take days) before I edit that post"

I think as a SN Board member you should attempt to be more tactful and lay off the obvious sarcasm. In your position sarcasm isn't a good trait to have as it is percieved differently when it comes from someone that has a postion of authority such as aboard member or moderator. Those are the people that should be even keeled and levelheaded and NOT causing dissent.

A better wording would be "I understand under typical situations a post shouldn't be edited without that person's permission, however there are exceptions to this. Examples would be when a third parties' personal information, ie phone number, ss number is posted. Wouldn't you agree?"

But this is just my opinion....

JOhn k]]> John K SN Board of Directors Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:28:48 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188162#msg-188162 Re: Double standards of the Board of Directors http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188162#msg-188162 BRIAN B SN Board of Directors Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:08:51 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188161#msg-188161 Re: Double standards of the Board of Directors http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188161#msg-188161
I think in the face of protecting someone's identity from a mistake there is a good reason to cross that line. When you are told "thanks for catching that, I didn't think about that"... it is a good sign that you did the right thing. Some times, time is of the essence.

But if someone post up some personal information about you such as your cc numbers or your social... I'll make sure to contact that person first or get 3 members approval (even though that can take days) before I edit that post.]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:08:04 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188155#msg-188155 Re: Double standards of the Board of Directors http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188155#msg-188155 "I also have edited one of Leslie's post without talking to anyone because I caught a mistake she was making... I pm'd her to inform her and she thanked me and we moved on."

That's not right. You should never be editing other people's posts without prior approval.]]> Rob Williams SN Board of Directors Fri, 04 Feb 2011 09:58:01 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188143#msg-188143 Re: Double standards of the Board of Directors http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188143#msg-188143
So I figure I got a few more good years in me till I flake out on everyone.

Again, anything I did on the board's behalf were all undoable... so there is no harm no foul if the board decides they want them back... they haven't asked for them back so I guess my actions were in line with what the board wanted. I also moved one of Dillon's post a long time ago that had a link to a questionable cartoon... I didn't get approval on that one first either... but it was clear that it didn't belong in the public forum.

Censorship of what? That is my question... I mean, I plead for you to please post what we are censoring... which is the opposite of what censorship is. So I am not sure how we are censoring anything. Let this cat out of the bag.]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Fri, 04 Feb 2011 09:15:49 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188139#msg-188139 Re: Double standards of the Board of Directors http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188139#msg-188139
And you just showed where you abused your privledges by removing post that YOU think are in violation. Even when they where not like mine. As all that info was how the snac TD felt about the BOD being able to play in the event that we would be running. Although now it no longer matters as we will no longer be TDing the event and the BOD should be proud that they ran off 2 of the best TD's in the SN. I know it is all in the name of censorship. lmao.]]> Tax Man SN Board of Directors Fri, 04 Feb 2011 09:02:15 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188134#msg-188134 Re: Double standards of the Board of Directors http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188134#msg-188134
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Bob
I think him talking about things that have happened in the past about others

Wow, let's not even go there Bob... some of the stuff you have PM'd me has served no purpose to our conversation except to embarrass and hurt others and it was unconscionable. I was quite frankly appalled.

Yes, I moved that thread before discussing it with the board... I immediately PM'd the board with a copy of it and let them know what I did. All it would have taken was a couple of members to say "no, put it back" and I would have. Obviously there will be times that a moderator has to act before being able to discuss and get approval but nothing I have ever done couldn't be undone if the board decided it shouldn't have been done. I also have edited one of Leslie's post without talking to anyone because I caught a mistake she was making... I pm'd her to inform her and she thanked me and we moved on. To you that would be "abusing my powers"... to her I was doing my job. Seems like you are the one making the definition fit what you want as to talk trash.

Bob... things change and evolve... these guidelines should have put up in some form from the beginning. They just didn't see the need and I guess had no experience in these things. I'm about to set up a forum for my father-in-law for his xtian bass club. I doubt they will have guidelines set up at first as they won't have these problems with the members they have. If things change in the future I am certain they will add them. Tis life on the inter-webs. You do realize that the "couple" of people that are asking us to clean up the forums are some of the people that have been playing the sport as long as you if not longer right?]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Fri, 04 Feb 2011 08:20:51 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188132#msg-188132 Re: Double standards of the Board of Directors http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,188132#msg-188132 -------------------------------------------------------
> Can you give us an example of how he's abusing it?
> If so, maybe we can take this seriously.
>

It depends on your definition. I think him talking about things that have happened in the past about others is abuse to the people who he is suppose to be serving. The t-shirt remark is another example of the 2 of you making light of players concern. Even if you all dis agree with others you should try and refrain from joking as you never know how someone else percieves it.

> Kevin only uses his moderator priviledges when the
> board approves it. He doesn't do anything as a
> moderator without the rest of us knowing.
>
That is not true as he moved the post about the bod not being able to play in the snac. He then said I was mis representing the SN bod, which was not the case as i was speaking for the tournament bod. And please do not try and say you all get together before a post is removed. Or where you trying to say he removes threads that the bod voted on in terms of guidelines? But we all know you all do whatever you want and are slowly destroying the series wether you think so or not. You just ran the SNAC TD and assitant out of running it for starters!

> Also, how is this censorship? This thread is
> still visible. We're trying to clean up the
> general discussion, which is what we've been asked
> to do. Having multiple threads all discussing the
> same thing is unnecessary.


maybe a few people asked but the majority could care less about you all's crusade with cleaning up the forums. This site has been here for many a year longer then the 2 of you have been playing . And was doing just fine before you all started your crusade!! This thread was fine where it was but if it gives you all a straw to hang on to then..................................]]> Tax Man SN Board of Directors Fri, 04 Feb 2011 08:06:25 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,187998#msg-187998 Re: Double standards of the Board of Directors http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,187998#msg-187998 Gilligan SN Board of Directors Thu, 03 Feb 2011 08:22:34 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,187983#msg-187983 Re: Double standards of the Board of Directors http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,187983#msg-187983
Kevin only uses his moderator priviledges when the board approves it. He doesn't do anything as a moderator without the rest of us knowing.

Also, how is this censorship? This thread is still visible. We're trying to clean up the general discussion, which is what we've been asked to do. Having multiple threads all discussing the same thing is unnecessary.]]> jtolbert SN Board of Directors Thu, 03 Feb 2011 07:20:20 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,187977#msg-187977 Re: Double standards of the Board of Directors http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,187977#msg-187977
Another thread moved huh?

Stop the censorship please........]]> sand2bass2 SN Board of Directors Thu, 03 Feb 2011 00:53:42 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,187960#msg-187960 Re: Double standards of the Board of Directors http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,187960#msg-187960 lesliez SN Board of Directors Wed, 02 Feb 2011 22:02:23 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,187733#msg-187733 Re: Double standards of the Board of Directors http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,187733#msg-187733 TheZinger SN Board of Directors Tue, 01 Feb 2011 12:34:36 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,187467#msg-187467 Re: Double standards of the Board of Directors http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,187467#msg-187467 Gilligan SN Board of Directors Fri, 28 Jan 2011 09:08:31 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,187462#msg-187462 Re: Double standards of the Board of Directors http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,187462#msg-187462 TheZinger SN Board of Directors Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:45:19 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,187427#msg-187427 Re: Double standards of the Board of Directors http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,187427#msg-187427 Brad Wells SN Board of Directors Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:47:13 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,187420#msg-187420 Re: Double standards of the Board of Directors http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,187420#msg-187420 Keith Bodin SN Board of Directors Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:50:45 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,187419#msg-187419 Re: Double standards of the Board of Directors http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,187419#msg-187419
Add that to your signature.]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:50:19 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,187418#msg-187418 Re: Double standards of the Board of Directors http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,187418#msg-187418 Keith Bodin SN Board of Directors Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:48:31 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,187417#msg-187417 Re: Double standards of the Board of Directors http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,187417#msg-187417
Have you become one of those people that made you quit the board now?]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:34:01 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,187416#msg-187416 Re: Double standards of the Board of Directors http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,187416#msg-187416 Keith Bodin SN Board of Directors Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:28:47 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,187415#msg-187415 Re: Double standards of the Board of Directors http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,186895,187415#msg-187415
As it has been mentioned, the word Hell was already covered back before we even had penalties for breaking the rules.]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:17:16 -0600