This is my suggestion to the SN family. Completely do away with ADV! This will not hurt any attendance since the ADV field is so small anyways. In AM, do a great players pack so every player gets something and then pay out the top 3 players in small prizes or trophies only. Then in Pro pay out 1/2 the field. That way the players at the top of AM can move up and be able to have a shot at cashing and get better Everytime I play a round with Pros I usually shoot much better http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,190673#msg-190673 Tue, 21 May 2013 08:42:30 -0500 Phorum 5.2.15a http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191758#msg-191758 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191758#msg-191758 Gilligan SN Board of Directors Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:48:09 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191743#msg-191743 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191743#msg-191743 I do get what you mean though. The English language doesn't make a lot of sense at times.]]> jtolbert SN Board of Directors Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:29:24 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191741#msg-191741 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191741#msg-191741 Gilligan SN Board of Directors Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:24:49 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191737#msg-191737 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191737#msg-191737 English teacher. ;)

I've got it much more extensive now. Currently, it's a huge spreadsheet with a lot of editable percentages and such. It's just an experiment. I'm sure the all experienced TDs would just laugh at it, lol....

I'm about to upload a new copy.]]> jtolbert SN Board of Directors Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:13:58 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191729#msg-191729 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191729#msg-191729 Gilligan SN Board of Directors Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:13:51 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191715#msg-191715 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191715#msg-191715 -------------------------------------------------------
> Be glade when I am a pro grand master....4 players
> and 500.00 in pay out with only collecting
> 180.00.......

I didn't think about that. I was rushing to throw somethign together to see how it would look. Let me do some tweaking.

I could take the money that's left over to be designated to pro payout, and divy it up based on percentages. Pro Open paying out to 5 places, and Pro Grandmaster paying out to 2 places. The Pro Open consists of 70% of the Pro payout with Pro GM consisting of 30%. $850 going to Pro Open and $360 going to Pro GM.

[spreadsheets.google.com]]]> jtolbert SN Board of Directors Fri, 11 Mar 2011 09:33:08 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191714#msg-191714 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191714#msg-191714 It's not all worked out. But I just wanted to see what the thoughts were with having better payout for the higher divisions vs. rewarding people for staying in AMs.]]> jtolbert SN Board of Directors Fri, 11 Mar 2011 09:29:33 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191713#msg-191713 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191713#msg-191713 www.youtube.com]]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Fri, 11 Mar 2011 09:25:50 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191712#msg-191712 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191712#msg-191712 hobbit489 SN Board of Directors Fri, 11 Mar 2011 09:21:29 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191711#msg-191711 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191711#msg-191711 Keith Bodin SN Board of Directors Fri, 11 Mar 2011 09:17:00 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191710#msg-191710 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191710#msg-191710 Here's a spreadsheet detailing a tourney with spending only the money that is brought in with entry fees. Obviously, sponsorships, donations, etc. would make things a lot easier.

I did the payout like this:
Pro Div - 50%
Adv Div - 33%
Int Div - 10%
Nov - 25%

[spreadsheets.google.com]

Basically, I spent all of the money from entry fees into payout and player's packs. I did player's packs to all Int and Nov players. I made sure that the higher divisions received more $ value for first place.

Thoughts?]]> jtolbert SN Board of Directors Fri, 11 Mar 2011 08:54:06 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191634#msg-191634 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191634#msg-191634 Ultimately, I think it should be left in the hands of the TD. I don't think we should strong arm TDs and force them to handle their payout a particular way.
However, if you can get a whole area on board and in agreement that something needs to be done, they can handle every tournament in their area in one particular way. I don't believe this is an SN issue, but more of a local level issue.]]> jtolbert SN Board of Directors Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:45:11 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191629#msg-191629 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191629#msg-191629
"Bagging" in one area might not be an issue somewhere else.

rWc3523]]> Russ3523 SN Board of Directors Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:19:22 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191626#msg-191626 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191626#msg-191626 bigal5657 SN Board of Directors Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:06:37 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191625#msg-191625 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191625#msg-191625
Almost every year you can find examples of that.]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:05:34 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191624#msg-191624 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191624#msg-191624
rWc3523]]> Russ3523 SN Board of Directors Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:00:06 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191623#msg-191623 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191623#msg-191623
I know what the arguement is......"We are not ball golf!" Yeah well what they have been doing has been working for hundreds of years. Maybe it does work.]]> bigal5657 SN Board of Directors Thu, 10 Mar 2011 12:43:55 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191622#msg-191622 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191622#msg-191622
[www.sndg.org];]]> Discjazz SN Board of Directors Thu, 10 Mar 2011 12:39:56 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191617#msg-191617 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191617#msg-191617 If players can win more, better (or just as good) prizes in INT, what is pushing them to want to play in ADV?]]> jtolbert SN Board of Directors Thu, 10 Mar 2011 12:22:26 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191613#msg-191613 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191613#msg-191613
JOhn k]]> John K SN Board of Directors Thu, 10 Mar 2011 12:12:04 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191605#msg-191605 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191605#msg-191605

Take the points away and there is one excuse gone for bagging]]> head SN Board of Directors Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:52:52 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191604#msg-191604 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191604#msg-191604
Also this to me is even more important with the SN Cup... as long as you have X rating when the Roster is submitted (or due maybe) then you would be locked in that spot. This would keep from having ringers at the SN Cup and be fair for others in those divisions that want to represent their cities but get "muscled" out because of said ringers. And only two positions Ams and Adv would be effected by that at the SN Cup.

Also, no one would ever force anyone out of a higher division.

My main question for those that don't like the idea of "forced divisions" is if your stats show that you should be playing in a higher division then why shouldn't you be playing in that higher division.]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:50:52 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191597#msg-191597 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191597#msg-191597 -------------------------------------------------------
> And something for nothing sounds like?

Sounds like the BoD, lol...

I would like to see a ratings system. However, I wouldn't like the idea of using it for the purpose of "forcing" people in or out of a particular division. A couple of years ago, I would have been in favor of that. I don't think it would work well with us having points races and the SN City Cup.

I do think it would be something cool to have if/when we revamp the site and have more content. It would add another competitive element to the SN. It's definitely something that would take a couple of years to get established and reliable enough.]]> jtolbert SN Board of Directors Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:50:53 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191548#msg-191548 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191548#msg-191548
rWc3523]]> Russ3523 SN Board of Directors Wed, 09 Mar 2011 18:46:17 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191542#msg-191542 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191542#msg-191542
Its not like I am trying to make a living off of it. haha]]> head SN Board of Directors Wed, 09 Mar 2011 17:43:08 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191540#msg-191540 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191540#msg-191540 Gilligan SN Board of Directors Wed, 09 Mar 2011 17:35:52 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191538#msg-191538 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191538#msg-191538 MassiveJ SN Board of Directors Wed, 09 Mar 2011 16:59:09 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191537#msg-191537 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191537#msg-191537 head SN Board of Directors Wed, 09 Mar 2011 16:52:15 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191536#msg-191536 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191536#msg-191536 Tyler Wammack 50 998 52 977 54 1000 992
Darek Casper 57 926 51 987 56 980 965
Andy Mize 56 936 54 957 56 980 958
Drew Sockwell 56 936 54 957 57 971 954
Jeff Karl 56 936 58 915 54 1000 950

McKinley McCarty 63 864 58 915 68 863 881

Brian Street 56 936 58 915 57 971 941
David Marking 59 905 58 915 55 990 937
Jody Neff 63 864 56 936 58 961 920
David Dunham 60 895 54 957 69 853 901

Russ Corey 55 946 59 905 52 1020 957
Gary Wagoner 59 905 54 957 55 990 951
Robert McDonald 54 957 59 905 57 971 944

Robby Harris 53 967 57 926 54 1000 964
Josh David 53 967 59 905 58 961 944
Kirby Powers 59 905 56 936 59 951 931
Will Corey 57 926 63 864 63 912 900
Joshua Wright 58 915 62 874 69 853 881
Michael Fleming

Bob Sappington 53 967 59 905 54 1000 957
Chase Courtney 56 936 57 926 56 980 947
Matthew Gardner 57 926 49 1008 62 922 952
Tony Palmer 57 926 52 977 65 892 932
DJ Rushlow 58 915 61 884 56 980 927
Max Davidson 55 946 53 967 69 853 922
Cole Heuerman 60 895 53 967 66 882 915
Dillon Gourley 60 895 57 926 64 902 907
Michael Fisher 60 895 58 915 64 902 905
Justin Perry 59 905 60 895 65 892 897
Chris Goolsby 60 895 66 833 59 951 893
Daniel Bostick 57 926 59 905 70 843 891
Eric Bose 60 895 61 884 65 892 890
Erick Sipes 60 895 55 946 73 814 885
Justin Lamb 63 864 61 884 67 873 874
William Ballinger 66 833 60 895 71 833 854
Rhee Perry 65 843 59 905 74 804 851
Johnathan Carter 66 833 66 833 68 863 843
Madison Coltharp 61 884 72 771 68 863 839
Steve Cheesewright 63 864 74 750 67 873 829
Nick Ballinger 80 689 77 719 85 696 701

Vicki Palmer 64 853 67 823 72 824 833
Jenna Ray 75 740 72 771 86 686 732

Ray Smith 80 689 75 740 714]]> head SN Board of Directors Wed, 09 Mar 2011 16:51:12 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191505#msg-191505 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,190673,191505#msg-191505
Its a good thing, but a lot of work and should be compensated for.]]> bigal5657 SN Board of Directors Wed, 09 Mar 2011 10:34:39 -0600