Dear BoD, Please use this this thread as reference... http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?3,200021 We want to start actively offering the advanced women's division in tournaments. Right now we have plans to offer this division in at least two tournaments before the end of this calendar year. Will you please consider making a distinction between the advanced and intermediate women's points on the player stats? Also, will there be consideration made for the points discs as well? Let's grow this sport and offer more to ladies. What you say? http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,200357#msg-200357 Sat, 18 May 2013 15:58:49 -0500 Phorum 5.2.15a http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,206061#msg-206061 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,206061#msg-206061
JOhn k]]> John K SN Board of Directors Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:18:07 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,206059#msg-206059 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,206059#msg-206059 -------------------------------------------------------
> As Treasurer I keep track of all the players that
> play each division at each tournament on a
> spreadsheet. I know how many adv women and am
> women players we've had throughout the season so
> seperating the SN fees for the women is already
> being done. The decision has to be made by the SN
> bod whether they will be two disctict seperate
> divisions so the web guy can seperate the points
> instead of them being lumped together....
>
> For the current season so far entered into the
> spreadsheet (through the summer sizzler) there
> have been 12 advanced women and 68 am women.
>
> JOhn k
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Any idea when the bod will make this decision?]]> KEYCHAINSRK SN Board of Directors Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:00:08 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,205946#msg-205946 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,205946#msg-205946 KEYCHAINSRK SN Board of Directors Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:21:03 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,205929#msg-205929 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,205929#msg-205929
For the current season so far entered into the spreadsheet (through the summer sizzler) there have been 12 advanced women and 68 am women.

JOhn k]]> John K SN Board of Directors Wed, 24 Aug 2011 06:58:02 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,205928#msg-205928 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,205928#msg-205928 jtolbert SN Board of Directors Wed, 24 Aug 2011 06:46:04 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,205921#msg-205921 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,205921#msg-205921
This is a double edge sword, ya'll say we need more women, there is some of us bringing them in but they are getting discourged right off the bat cause they are having to compete with those of us in the middle between new and pro! They need a place to be or we are just going to keep losing them.]]> KEYCHAINSRK SN Board of Directors Tue, 23 Aug 2011 22:51:10 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,202884#msg-202884 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,202884#msg-202884 Gilligan SN Board of Directors Fri, 22 Jul 2011 16:02:12 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,202875#msg-202875 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,202875#msg-202875 dustin morris SN Board of Directors Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:28:17 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,202863#msg-202863 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,202863#msg-202863 contrast SN Board of Directors Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:55:52 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,202859#msg-202859 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,202859#msg-202859 dustin morris SN Board of Directors Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:41:55 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,202136#msg-202136 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,202136#msg-202136 -------------------------------------------------------
> Yes increase the depth of the payout was what I
> meant.I sent you a PM about another topic Kevin.
>
> Shane


You're slow Shane... I had taken care of that already. :)]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:15:23 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,202135#msg-202135 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,202135#msg-202135 -------------------------------------------------------
> Ashe88, careful with the bagger description. I
> think many of those ladies are Amateurs in the
> true sense of the word. They are not ready for
> Pro, so they have no place to go. I would think
> that many of them would relish the chance to push
> themselves against tougher competition and allow
> the Am Women division to players new to the game.

I totally agree. They aren't pros, and they have nowhere else to go.]]> Karen J. SN Board of Directors Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:03:54 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,202132#msg-202132 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,202132#msg-202132
Shane]]> shane SN Board of Directors Fri, 15 Jul 2011 14:25:03 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,202121#msg-202121 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,202121#msg-202121
I'd payout deeper... that might be what you meant by increase the payout.

But getting $1200 worth of stuff although impressive is not the right message we want to send to the Am players.]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Fri, 15 Jul 2011 12:03:05 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,202113#msg-202113 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,202113#msg-202113
1) One possibility is to lower the entry fee for the Amateur divisions and increase the size of the payout.

2) Eliminate the entry fee for the Amateur division all together at the SNAC and just play for the monies put in through the year.

Just a couple of thoughts, but I definitely think the baskets should be reserved for the Advanced divisions.

Shane]]> shane SN Board of Directors Fri, 15 Jul 2011 11:25:37 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,202091#msg-202091 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,202091#msg-202091 Gilligan SN Board of Directors Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:13:27 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,202066#msg-202066 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,202066#msg-202066
Gilligan, what extra monies are you talking about? I will try to put some thought into the matter, but I want to make sure I understand what monies you are talking about.

Shane]]> shane SN Board of Directors Thu, 14 Jul 2011 23:55:39 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,201487#msg-201487 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,201487#msg-201487 ashe88 SN Board of Directors Sun, 10 Jul 2011 12:51:11 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,201366#msg-201366 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,201366#msg-201366 Gilligan SN Board of Directors Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:56:55 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,201364#msg-201364 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,201364#msg-201364
Shane]]> shane SN Board of Directors Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:44:46 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,201185#msg-201185 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,201185#msg-201185 KeyChains1 SN Board of Directors Fri, 08 Jul 2011 08:37:28 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,201128#msg-201128 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,201128#msg-201128
4 years ago we had 2 am women's divisions, am and adv. We had healthy turnout in both divisions. Then things went sketchy. We ended up with only 3-4 women in the entire series playing adv. The problem was and is the championships: we were requiring that am and adv women each receive at least a Mach 3 caliber basket for first and a nice basket for second as well as trophies for 3 places in each division and field events prizes. The cost was staggering.

Here is a breakdown:

2 Mach 3 baskets: $776
2 lower level baskets $280
6 trophies: $60-$120

Total: $1116

Those are prices from 2 years ago at Hartselle. We had 6 women attend. So, if we charged $100 an entrant, we would be putting $600 into the division from entries. The SN this season is owed $269 in am women's fees. So right off the bat, the am women's divisions would be underfunded by $247 without including the players packs.

Even with only having one division at Hartselle, the average woman recieved $358 in payout, while the average am male player got $316 even though am men collects 10 times the fees the women do.

So it was decided that we would offer one division. All monies during the year would go into just am women. TD's can and do offer ADV, but the money would still go into one big pot. At the champs, the ladies could divide into divisions however they want, but we only would require 2 baskets and 3 trophies for all am women. The money collected can be split evenly or by player between the divisions.

It wasn't meant as a slight. It was needed to help keep the SNAC TD from sinking tons of cash into am women. Remember as well that the junior division collects no fees during the year so it also has to be funded by taking money away from the larger divisions.

If you want to change things, the next BOD certainly should consider it. If they do, the financial requirements at the SNAC will have to be modified help the td handle it.

Josh Lenox
2009 SNAC TD
SN BOD member 2007-2011 (soooooo close to done!)]]> Hilltopper SN Board of Directors Thu, 07 Jul 2011 18:33:05 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,200937#msg-200937 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,200937#msg-200937 KEYCHAINSRK SN Board of Directors Wed, 06 Jul 2011 15:53:03 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,200935#msg-200935 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,200935#msg-200935 --------------------------------------------.
>
> There needs to be a div. for women who have adv.
> skills,before stepping up to pro,to make way for
> the new player to compete in tourneys without
> getting stomp (discouraged) everytime!


That'a why BOLT started this thread,]]> BRIAN B SN Board of Directors Wed, 06 Jul 2011 15:32:10 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,200931#msg-200931 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,200931#msg-200931 BRIAN B SN Board of Directors Wed, 06 Jul 2011 15:14:43 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,200921#msg-200921 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,200921#msg-200921
There has to growth to enable growth, or the sn can stay stuck where it is! God knows that I could just start traveling to pdga events where there are more than enough women to fill the div. But I personally love playing in the sn, and want to see it grow.]]> KEYCHAINSRK SN Board of Directors Wed, 06 Jul 2011 14:02:39 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,200916#msg-200916 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,200916#msg-200916
With that said, 6 female players around here is a great female turnout. Am wm, pro wm, pro master wm is what I generally see. That's an avg of 2 per division. Would another division not water down already low turnouts?

Hell i can't wait to see more and more women play, maybe mobile and surrounding areas already have this.

A few years back only 1 person played int mast at the SNAC. Because of not enough masters, only advanced masters is offered as a division now.

Hope everything works out for the ladies division, but my opinion is that it's not needed yet.]]> TheZinger SN Board of Directors Wed, 06 Jul 2011 12:59:57 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,200907#msg-200907 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,200907#msg-200907 -------------------------------------------------------
> It doesn't matter to me either way if they decide
> to have both an Advanced Women and Intermediate
> Women division. However, I think there are two
> reasons that it isn't that way right now.
>
> #1, the Advanced and Intermediate divisions aren't
> men's divisions. They're open divisions.
>
> #2, 1900+ people played in Advanced and
> Intermediate last year. 200+ played in Am Women.
>
> If you can convince them to create another Women
> division, that's great. If not and you still want
> to move up, give the open Intermediate division a
> shot.
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Yes, I agree with your numbers! Hence why we have been working hard to get women playing. I realize that its an open div., but not very many women are going to play with the men. Lets be real, yes there are several men that I can compete/beat on a weekly basis here in FWB, but realistically I will never be able to throw as far as them. I would already have a disadvantage before the horn blow. And from reading on here it looks to me that the am/adv div. has enough problems already with people not playing where they should.

There needs to be a div. for women who have adv. skills,before stepping up to pro,to make way for the new player to compete in tourneys without getting stomp (discouraged) everytime!]]> KEYCHAINSRK SN Board of Directors Wed, 06 Jul 2011 11:35:11 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,200902#msg-200902 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,200902#msg-200902
Either way...the division will still be offered, and if people want to play it then they are welcome. No matter how many.



Thanks for the BoD for the consideration of separation. Looking forward to hearing more discussion on this as it moves forward.]]> Bolty-Bolt SN Board of Directors Wed, 06 Jul 2011 10:59:40 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,200871#msg-200871 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,200357,200871#msg-200871
#1, the Advanced and Intermediate divisions aren't men's divisions. They're open divisions.

#2, 1900+ people played in Advanced and Intermediate last year. 200+ played in Am Women.

If you can convince them to create another Women division, that's great. If not and you still want to move up, give the open Intermediate division a shot.]]> contrast SN Board of Directors Wed, 06 Jul 2011 09:14:56 -0500