I would like to see something put into place to stop such nonsense, this happens every year. Any input would be great. Thanks Jmart http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205534#msg-205534 Sat, 25 May 2013 04:28:57 -0500 Phorum 5.2.15a http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,206327#msg-206327 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,206327#msg-206327
]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Mon, 29 Aug 2011 17:02:07 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,206322#msg-206322 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,206322#msg-206322 BRIAN B SN Board of Directors Mon, 29 Aug 2011 16:46:34 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,206321#msg-206321 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,206321#msg-206321 BRIAN B SN Board of Directors Mon, 29 Aug 2011 16:42:18 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205923#msg-205923 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205923#msg-205923 Discjazz SN Board of Directors Tue, 23 Aug 2011 23:36:41 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205918#msg-205918 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205918#msg-205918 KEYCHAINSRK SN Board of Directors Tue, 23 Aug 2011 21:52:31 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205710#msg-205710 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205710#msg-205710 Discjazz SN Board of Directors Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:01:46 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205705#msg-205705 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205705#msg-205705 TheZinger SN Board of Directors Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:05:20 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205696#msg-205696 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205696#msg-205696 Discjazz SN Board of Directors Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:33:12 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205694#msg-205694 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205694#msg-205694 -------------------------------------------------------
> Even if they can consistently cash in open field
> and have proven that they have the ability several
> time over?


In my opinion, yes. Amateur and Professional divisions are two separate things. If one doesn't want to ever compete for cash, then that person has a right not to. Maybe if there was more incinitives to compete in a professional division, then more might, but it's a choice only that player should make. Stop giving away so much to all amateurs is a start.]]> TheZinger SN Board of Directors Sat, 20 Aug 2011 10:38:37 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205658#msg-205658 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205658#msg-205658 -------------------------------------------------------
> According to pDGA standards, pros may play in AM
> divisions also (provided their rating is in the
> correct range).
>

You are right. If you are a pro, you can play AM according to your rating in PDGA non-Major tournaments. PDGA pros can't play in AM divisions in Majors such as Worlds unless they are granted permission. Regardless, it still gets very tricky when you play in many SN and PDGA events. The safe thing to do is to stay AM. One small mistake can screw up a person's chance to play in PDGA AM Worlds. Forcing people to move up to pro would certainly add to the confusion, and it would not be right.]]> Karen J. SN Board of Directors Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:10:14 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205587#msg-205587 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205587#msg-205587
Just to be clear, I am not in favor of either situation. After 3 years of playing in am divisions, I won TX States as an ADV player in 1989 and have never registered to play as an amateur since.]]> John Rock SN Board of Directors Thu, 18 Aug 2011 20:11:56 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205579#msg-205579 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205579#msg-205579 -------------------------------------------------------
> If a player plays in the highest amateur division
> there is, then I don't care how good they are,
> they have a right to stay there for as long as
> they want. Nobody should EVER be required to move
> out of the amateur ranks and into the professional
> field.

I agree. Some people are going for a PDGA AM Title, and they play in dual-sanctioned tournaments. It gets very tricky.]]> Karen J. SN Board of Directors Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:44:34 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205578#msg-205578 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205578#msg-205578 La Cote DGC SN Board of Directors Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:42:43 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205577#msg-205577 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205577#msg-205577 TheZinger SN Board of Directors Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:40:06 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205575#msg-205575 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205575#msg-205575 -------------------------------------------------------

> If you know you want to keep am status, dont play
> pro.
>
> Could be avoided (more than it is now) with a good
> ratings system.
>

This gets complicated if you are playing in events that are dual sanctioned.]]> Karen J. SN Board of Directors Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:33:28 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205573#msg-205573 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205573#msg-205573 dustin morris SN Board of Directors Thu, 18 Aug 2011 16:48:37 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205568#msg-205568 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205568#msg-205568 La Cote DGC SN Board of Directors Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:37:15 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205566#msg-205566 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205566#msg-205566 dustin morris SN Board of Directors Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:24:24 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205555#msg-205555 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205555#msg-205555 Rouster SN Board of Directors Thu, 18 Aug 2011 14:16:21 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205553#msg-205553 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205553#msg-205553 dustin morris SN Board of Directors Thu, 18 Aug 2011 14:09:00 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205552#msg-205552 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205552#msg-205552
I don't think ratings is the "End all be all" of it either. My understanding is that the PDGA has it's fair share of baggers as well.

Jeff, I really don't know the answer. Something that might work would be requiring that anyone who finishes Top 3 (In a field of more than 10 competitors) at the SNAC is required to move up to the next level for 1 year or X amount of tournaments.

In this specific case, most everyone knows that Eddie is not an Am player based on his skills. But, if he always chooses to play as an Am then it's hard to force a move.

So for this year, the goal is to bring down Roser the PROser on his home course. ;)]]> Rouster SN Board of Directors Thu, 18 Aug 2011 13:23:08 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205548#msg-205548 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205548#msg-205548
If you know you want to keep am status, dont play pro.

Could be avoided (more than it is now) with a good ratings system.

Just my two cents]]> dustin morris SN Board of Directors Thu, 18 Aug 2011 12:02:47 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205541#msg-205541 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205541#msg-205541
Tournament Director: Steve Timm (amenities [at] cox.net)
Date(s): 03/12/2011 Attendance: 185 Event Value: $7,984

Pro Master
Place Name Rd 1 Rd 2 Total Winnings* Points
1st Mike Kernan 50 48 98 $240.00 13
2nd Will Timmons 50 52 102 $165.00 12
3rd Ronnie Adams 50 53 103 $90.00 9
3rd Kevin Weiss 49 54 103 $90.00 9
3rd Eddie Roser 50 53 103 $15.00 9
6th Kevin Nuckley 50 54 104 $15.00 8
7th Glen Fendley 49 58 107 $15.00 6
7th Pat Barnes 51 56 107 $15.00 6
9th Jon Fox 51 58 109 $15.00 4
9th Bill Tyler 51 58 109 $15.00 4
11th KC Heckathorn55 56 111 $15.00 2
11th Brad Wells 53 58 111 $15.00 2]]> La Cote DGC SN Board of Directors Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:43:33 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205539#msg-205539 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205539#msg-205539
You are right though... it is being abused in some cases!]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:36:49 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205538#msg-205538 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205538#msg-205538 mobz SN Board of Directors Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:35:42 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205535#msg-205535 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205535#msg-205535
But it is a double edged sword. In once sense they are more enticed to try a higher division knowing they can turn down cash to keep their status. This gets them out of the division they were bagging in before at least a little. This also shows "see, you DO belong in a higher division" though somehow it's always rationalized out (I had a great day, everyone else had a bad day, there were only 3 people... blah blah blah). The down side is they are allowed to bag at SNACs.

Samson did it one year and I felt he basically did it right... his skills had edged out adv and he was ready to test pro. It was right at the end of the season as you guys know. Maybe that was abusing the system, maybe that was the right way to handle it.

I'd at least like to see limits on how many times this can be done.

People try to say I'm bagging but I invite everyone to tune in and watch the amazing beating I take at SNACs by all the Adv guys that were Ams at the end of the season. :)]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:29:00 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205534#msg-205534 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,205534,205534#msg-205534

Thanks Jmart]]> mobz SN Board of Directors Thu, 18 Aug 2011 09:43:09 -0500