well I have given you a solution to your or our problem. Real easy to do for the td and for the player. you as a player know if you won last year and would have no excuse for trying to play down. Td s should know who won their event if they dont they should not be a td leo otto http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212321#msg-212321 Fri, 24 May 2013 11:10:11 -0500 Phorum 5.2.15a http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212439#msg-212439 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212439#msg-212439

leo]]> mobz SN Board of Directors Fri, 18 Nov 2011 22:45:28 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212436#msg-212436 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212436#msg-212436 Eric Day SN Board of Directors Fri, 18 Nov 2011 22:29:00 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212433#msg-212433 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212433#msg-212433

leo otto]]> mobz SN Board of Directors Fri, 18 Nov 2011 22:06:20 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212419#msg-212419 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212419#msg-212419

leo otto]]> mobz SN Board of Directors Fri, 18 Nov 2011 18:58:17 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212418#msg-212418 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212418#msg-212418

leo otto]]> mobz SN Board of Directors Fri, 18 Nov 2011 18:53:21 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212411#msg-212411 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212411#msg-212411 Dillon Gourley SN Board of Directors Fri, 18 Nov 2011 16:18:31 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212406#msg-212406 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212406#msg-212406 Eric Day SN Board of Directors Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:25:19 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212404#msg-212404 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212404#msg-212404
If that's the case, who gets faulted when a player sneaks into a division? Is it the TD's or player's fault?]]> jtolbert SN Board of Directors Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:55:20 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212401#msg-212401 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212401#msg-212401

leo

Most tds will not do this for saving face sake. I understand that but dont care about saving face AT ALL]]> mobz SN Board of Directors Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:35:53 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212393#msg-212393 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212393#msg-212393
Also, if the TD doesn't make the player move up and allows them to play in the wrong division, who's at fault? TD or player?]]> jtolbert SN Board of Directors Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:34:33 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212390#msg-212390 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212390#msg-212390
I've been at plenty of tournaments when someone was errantly called out and after we checked the facts we realized they were in their right (back then it was 6 months). The point is... people talk, people know... sometimes they don't have the balls to step up say it to the right people, but there are ALWAYS murmurs in the crowd... they don't go unnoticed.

Then again there are PLENTY of times when they ARE told about it and still NOTHING is done by the TD.

TD's don't want to ruffle feathers, especially if they are local players.

Board doesn't want to hold the TD's accountable and it IS a tricky spot. We NEED all the TD's we can get. But at some point if they blatantly disregard the "rules" shouldn't we hold them accountable? Same thing happens with funds not being turned in. We just let it slide.

None of this helps the series.]]> Gilligan SN Board of Directors Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:26:48 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212382#msg-212382 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212382#msg-212382
leo

free of cost]]> mobz SN Board of Directors Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:06:12 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212376#msg-212376 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212376#msg-212376
If there are hard and fast rules for who is inelegible to play in a given amateur division the research ought not to be the responsibility of the TD. One of the Boards priorities should to be making a TDs job easier and not more difficult by piling more on his plate. Let the Board, therefore, issue an advisory to the TD a week before his tournament listing exactly who can not play in a given division.

My response would be to publish this list on the tournament thread and have that list in front of me at sign-up.

Gary Wagoner]]> Gary Wagoner SN Board of Directors Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:38:05 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212372#msg-212372 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212372#msg-212372 Rinkelstein SN Board of Directors Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:18:38 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212367#msg-212367 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212367#msg-212367


leo]]> mobz SN Board of Directors Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:48:35 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212363#msg-212363 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212363#msg-212363
A simple, straight forward and easy way to discourage baggers is not to make it worth their while. In many sports amateurs get a trophy and maybe a T-shirt but that's it. Perhaps the answer is to lower the amateur fees and restrict the payout to a trophy and players pack. Which would cause amateurs the most heartburn: baggers and a payout or no baggers and no payout?

Gary Wagoner]]> Gary Wagoner SN Board of Directors Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:32:07 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212356#msg-212356 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212356#msg-212356
I'm all for us having something in writing from the board to give the TDs some leverage in the situation. Instead of the TD just saying, "You have to move up because I said so," we should have something for the TD to cite and use. I think your idea could be that cite. The TD could tell the player to move up and have some guidelines that the series has set in place to use as back up. In that situation, the player can't complain that they're unrightfully being forced to play a higher division.

Here are my questions though. Should it be a REQUIREMENT for the TD to make the player play up? Do we still leave it up to the TD to decide whether to use the rule? If it does become a REQUIREMENT, who is at fault if the player plays the lower division: the TD or the player?]]> jtolbert SN Board of Directors Fri, 18 Nov 2011 07:38:50 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212353#msg-212353 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212353#msg-212353 Rinkelstein SN Board of Directors Fri, 18 Nov 2011 07:18:50 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212352#msg-212352 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212352#msg-212352
I am curious, Leo, how many tournaments have you run?

Gary Wagoner]]> Gary Wagoner SN Board of Directors Fri, 18 Nov 2011 07:00:05 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212343#msg-212343 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212343#msg-212343
leo]]> mobz SN Board of Directors Thu, 17 Nov 2011 23:41:28 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212342#msg-212342 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212342#msg-212342
Gary Wagoner]]> Gary Wagoner SN Board of Directors Thu, 17 Nov 2011 21:52:40 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212321#msg-212321 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,212321,212321#msg-212321

leo otto]]> mobz SN Board of Directors Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:01:07 -0600