SN Board Meeting - 21 Sep 05 - site banner / sn store / TD guide Members in attendance: Bill McCarty, Russ Corey, Zack Hudson, Robert McDonald, and John Kittrell (but he was late) Topics of discussion: 1. SN fees from the Duzee Doubles. The Lafayette club had asked that the SN fees be donated to the Red Cross. The 4 members present agreed 4-0 to donate the SN fees ($84) to the tournament charity. 2. A banner for JimO's Skysouth ebay store will be appearing on the SN website in the future once we get with Brian Moon to see what we need to do to accomplish this. 10% of the sales generated through the link to JimO's store will go to the SN series. It was voted 4-0 to do this. It's a win-win situation for the SN and JimO. This will help generate funds that can be used for stuff like printed SN Banners that TDs can use at tournaments, adding money to the championships, etc. Depending on how this goes we aren't opposed to putting other links on the site as well. 3. The idea of a SN store was touched upon. The SN series buying the prizes themselves. Using the inventory at tournaments throughout the year at TDs requests and supplying the prizes for the am championship. This is pretty complicated because it entails lots of stuff such as who would run the store, should the person running the store get a %, ect. It's an idea worth exploring, it just needs to be discussed extensively with all options weighed. 4. We also discussed the getting a TD guide together. A checklist of items to run a tournament from saying "I should run a tournament" to rescheduling the event. Including a suggested entry fee and payout guide. I'll update anything else I missed at the beginning once Bill McCarty send me the minutes... Comments are welcome and encouraged! John k SN Board Member http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,63365#msg-63365 Thu, 23 May 2013 06:41:47 -0500 Phorum 5.2.15a http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76945#msg-76945 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76945#msg-76945 brianlmoon SN Board of Directors Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:51:08 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76650#msg-76650 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76650#msg-76650
COMMUNICATION is all that "THE REST OF US " want.
Just like you want "THE REST OF US" off your @#$%&.

2 months in between communications from the BOD is just unacceptable. Im sorry.

JABBA]]> frzbman SN Board of Directors Mon, 03 Apr 2006 10:23:39 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76646#msg-76646 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76646#msg-76646
Remarkably, some organizations and boards meet the challenges they confront.

For starters, you need an organizational document. I would recommend that at a minimum, before the next vote for board members, you have a document in place that outlines:

a) the voting procedure;
b) the structure of the board (how many members, what is a quorum, how is voting conducted, are proxies allowed, what are the positions);
c) an outine of divisions of duties; i.e. the role of the chair, the pecking order for who chairs meetings in the chair's absence.

As to positions, I would recommend the board be structured along time honored lines; i.e. Chairperson, Vice Chair, Treasurer, Secretary at the very least. The rest of the board could have assigned additional duties such as sergeant at arms or parlimentarian to assist in running the meetings; historian; statistician; communications director; competition director; membership; etc.

This would not mean that these individuals were solely responsible for making sure their area of responsibility was a success but at least then you could reasonably divide the duties. If, for instance, there was unresolved debate at a meeting about proposed changes to the rules that govern play during a tournament, the issue could be tabled and the competition director charged with doing research, sumarizing the tenable positions and forwarding the summary to each board member before the next meeting for review.

At this point in the board's evolution I cannot believe we are even having this discussion. THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS AT THE VERY FIRST BOARD MEETING. It is hard to have any organization with actually taking the time to organize.

The last post sounds a little long on complaint about the system and a little short of resolve to contribute to the solution. Get past the us/them mentality. If you think the criticism I have voiced this morning constitutes a personal attack on the enemy, I can assure you nothing could be further from the truth ... believe me, you'll know when I attack.]]> chris lasonde SN Board of Directors Mon, 03 Apr 2006 10:17:47 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76642#msg-76642 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76642#msg-76642
For once I can say that was a good post. I didn't feel like (and it might just be the way I read the rest of your posts) you were talking down to another person that asked a question.]]> TheZinger SN Board of Directors Mon, 03 Apr 2006 10:10:33 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76632#msg-76632 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76632#msg-76632
We do have a quroum, four members must be present to conduct business, which, at times, has been a problem. If enough members do not show, then nothing is done except wasting the time of those who are there.

As far as I know, there is no "charter" or written procedures defining the duties of Board. John is the chairman, and has been, I think, since the board was frist appointed by Jim.

The feeling I get is that most members want to get off the board as soon as their time is up, mostly due the the frustration of it being so difficult to accomplish anything and the fact that the board is expected to solve every problem yesterday. Some of the issues just do not have a cut and dried simple solution, and must be discussed at length. Here again, there must be the vote from those present, and it seems, that even that vote is subject to change if all the members are not there to participate. There has been talk of proxy votes, which just delay things even more and gives those at the meeting a sense of, "why should I waste my time if we have to go over it all again!" Then everything is gone over yet again to get these members thoughts and, finally their vote. A snails pace would be quicker, it seems at times.

I agree that we need to have a written document detailing the duties and responsibilities of the members of the board. We need to publish the changes that were voted on to determine the bidding procedure for the Championship events. Possibly even a TD guide to help those new people stepping up to run events, a better support structure for those existing TD's and, of course, the Hosts of the championship events.

All of these things take time. We meet for a grand total, in the best case, 26 hours a YEAR! Just a little over half of what those of you with full time jobs spend at work in a week. And IF it were a perfect world, and IF every member could be present at each and every meeting, and IF each meeting went a smooth as silk, it would still be hard to address each and every issue before us.

Any time you get four people in a room, or an online meeting, which is even more difficult, you have four opinions as to what the best solution could be. This is a good thing, but, here again, takes time. All discussion takes you off on many tangents and "what ifs" that also must be discussed at length. Even following Parlamentry Proceedure become difficult at times, when it is followed at all. After all, every board member is not the CEO of a major corporation, most of us are just Disc Golfers who thought we would like to help make the Southern Nationals Pro Am Tourament Series just a little bit better place for the players than it was. We appreciate the feedback of every player out there, but not the BS.

We like to get out to the course and fling a few, just like the rest of you, we want the sport to grow and the purses to get bigger, just like the rest of you. We want to see all the problems corrected, just like the rest of you, the only difference is that we ran, and were elected to the board, hoping that we could have a positive effect on this sport, the Southern Nationals, and the players. I guess that makes us the enemy! We are sure treated that way!

Come September it could be your turn in the barrel, check it out and then you will see just what it is like. Then, and I am afraid, ONLY then, you will know EXACTLY what is is like to be a member or the board and how truly difficult it is to accomplish anything.]]> DG Guy SN Board of Directors Mon, 03 Apr 2006 09:45:49 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76608#msg-76608 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76608#msg-76608 Once again if there is anything that i can help with feel free to ask. Harold is ready and awaiting your call. Best of luck and let us know how we can help you or any sn player!!! Regards Boba]]> Tax Man SN Board of Directors Mon, 03 Apr 2006 07:56:26 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76606#msg-76606 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76606#msg-76606
Part of my concern lies at the heart of the statement "I think we where waiting to tell you but im not sure why" and part lies in the statement "If there is anything else you would like to know about the meetings just ask."

The Board needs to establish internally who is going to be responsible for communicating to the SN golfers and, likewise, ensure that it happens. Disseminating in some manner the complete minutes of board meetings should not be an option and should not be left to chance.]]> chris lasonde SN Board of Directors Mon, 03 Apr 2006 07:29:07 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76602#msg-76602 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76602#msg-76602 Chris, if you have anything to discuss please email us!!! The road goes both ways. I will also be at the championship to offer up any help you may need.
There is also a 4 person per meeting requirement{ that is for voting} If there is anything else you would like to know about the meetings just ask, as I have no problem filling you in. Regards boba]]> Tax Man SN Board of Directors Mon, 03 Apr 2006 06:41:35 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76597#msg-76597 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76597#msg-76597
That could not have been better.

JABBA]]> frzbman SN Board of Directors Mon, 03 Apr 2006 05:43:32 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76596#msg-76596 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76596#msg-76596
Attendance at meetings and the posting of the minutes should not really be an option. When I elect someone to represent me, I expect accountability. That means I want them at the meetings and I want to know how they voted. We have gone around the bush a couple times about releasing details of who voted for what. I have yet to hear a compelling arguement for maintaining anonymity. The bottom line for me is, that at the very least, full, professional minutes should be posted within a week of the meeting.

Minimal standards of attendance should be in the charter or constitution or whatever document spells out the responsibilities of the board. I would also like to have someone quantify the phrase "The last several meetings have not be very well attended, if at all, so there has been a problem there also."

I assume there was at least a quorum.

We can argue the forum issue until we are blue in the face. Good or bad, these forums will not kill the Southern Nationals. A poorly hosted or administered website could contribute to the demise of this form of communication, but this site is neither of those (thanks, Brian).

For my money it is infinitely more important (both to the players of the SN and to potential sponsors) to have strong, visible, transparent leadership. The preceeding post scared me more, for a variety of reasons about the long-term outlook of this organization than any of those of the more flippant, sarcastic, ironic nature ... the ones we love to shoot like so many barrelled fish.

If I was a potential sponsor I would perhaps pay some attention to the murmurings of the masses (and by "masses" I mean more than just the three or four most vocal of our contributors regardless of how many noms de plume they adopt) ... but a far more important consideration would be how (or even whether) the SN leadership responded.

Let's quit debating the merits of free speech for a second and focus on the concept of FOIA and of mandatory disclosure of our Board's progress or lack thereof.

My final word ... and it is purely my opinion (one which I will be more than happy to re-express to anyone's face, IF ASKED):

The author of the preceeding thread should not talk about Board proceedings in this thread above that inane disclaimer. Be a mensch. If you are on the board and you are attending board meetings and voting on issues don't post in a thread dedicated to board proceedings over a signature which does not include a name and, moreover, disclaims any tie between your opinions and the views of the board.

P.S. I am considering running for the board this year and will guarantee that, if I am elected, there will be full disclosure of the board's meetings in this forum.]]> chris lasonde SN Board of Directors Mon, 03 Apr 2006 03:34:52 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76544#msg-76544 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76544#msg-76544
For one thing, we worked out ost of the details to prevent a recurance of the SNAC, But they have not been posted. If I recall, there were about 14 issues we voted on.

We made the call on basket pruchases, 20 per year, which has also not been posted.

The last several meetings have not be very well attended, if at all, so there has been a problem there also.

John has not been at the last few, I think he is working nights, not sure, but we carry on without him.]]> DG Guy SN Board of Directors Sun, 02 Apr 2006 10:17:40 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76538#msg-76538 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76538#msg-76538 WHY no board updates since Jan 13th?????
Have the meetings been cancelled?? Postponned?? Put off till spring??
Could someone CLUE us in??
PLEASE.... inquiring minds would like to know what the elected board has been up to for the last 2 months.
Thanks

JABBA]]> frzbman SN Board of Directors Sun, 02 Apr 2006 09:13:21 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76475#msg-76475 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76475#msg-76475 Robert 'Mac' SN Board of Directors Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:26:45 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76468#msg-76468 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76468#msg-76468 AirCrow SN Board of Directors Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:48:07 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76457#msg-76457 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76457#msg-76457
WHO WOOD WANT TO SPONSER SOMEONE WHO CANT SPELL OR TYPE??? I SAY BAN ANYONE WHO KANT SPELL RITE!@! WE NEED TO PRESENT OURSLEVES MORE BETTER!!!]]> Anonymous User SN Board of Directors Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:37:16 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76456#msg-76456 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76456#msg-76456 -------------------------------------------------------
> I just think it's a weak argument, and I don't
> think many of those who make it really believe it
> either. They just see it as a way to get what
> they want.


I am actually talking about giving but I hear ya. Bad apples, turnstile hoppers and book cookers; I see that point but didn't consider it before now. The organization (JUDGEs) I ride with doesn't play that way. TD's and vendors could milk us all if we didn't call them out every once in a while, I suppose.]]> acerun SN Board of Directors Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:23:32 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76454#msg-76454 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76454#msg-76454
I just think it's a weak argument, and I don't think many of those who make it really believe it either. They just see it as a way to get what they want.]]> blueboy SN Board of Directors Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:44:05 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76453#msg-76453 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76453#msg-76453
My above posts were a personal view on SNDG growth so I posted it. I was serious but not crying over it...so no idiot here, was that necessary? Until now, I don't think I have ever even written the word Immoral much less be a fanatic about it. A gigantic chunk of the world disagrees with me on that but they still want me to walk into their store and help the world go 'round.

Also, the only thing I really fear is being eaten alive. What God does to start or stop that, I'll never know...so I'm not that guy either. The businesses I mentioned, however are. God bless 'em.

The politics you speak of are exactly what I'm talking about but a customer is a customer and they know that too. If my concerns aren't heavy enough, so be it. A very good possibility is they say hell no, those drunkards... I can't finish that statement because I don't have the freakin data...because of the above posts.

I didn't realize this would be taken so personally. I'm no nazi, or preacher but I am capable and have resources to access; just not under these circumstances. That's the short story of what I tried to get across.

No sweat. I'll shudup but I take nothing back. :|]]> acerun SN Board of Directors Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:33:46 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76447#msg-76447 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76447#msg-76447
Your personal contacts are not going to save disc golf or the SN anyway, nor should the opinions of one person dictate who is allowed to post what on here.

And if you really think that "god-fearing Christians" are going to start to be big sponsors of DG, then you are an idiot. Their politics and those of most people who play disc golf are in complete contradiction with each other.]]> blueboy SN Board of Directors Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:17:40 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76436#msg-76436 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76436#msg-76436 Anonymous User SN Board of Directors Fri, 31 Mar 2006 11:32:45 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76432#msg-76432 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76432#msg-76432
I wasn't calling any names (and still haven't) cause that would be a waste of bits.
The repost I made of the avatar was as close to name calling as I'll get but it is a solid point, I think.

The hesitation for me to approach my clients (again) is born from the simple fact that they will check this site before they give any money. These are God fearing Christians and would be interested in sponsorship for these reasons:

1. Tourney's are held in their market.
2. Sponsoring real physical activities is a good thing.
3. They trust my judgment and recommendations.

Now #3 is up for debate. The other 2 hold true always.

I have two potential sponsors who have markets in Louisiana, Mississippi, Arkansas, Alabama and Florida; i.e.. The SN district. I've massaged this idea with both clients but still see no reason to give them sndg.org as a reference to what they will be giving money to. My time spent with DG has dropped considerably due to many reasons but I still play, still love the game and still contribute.

As a matter of fact; should some sndg.org admin care to work a little, I'd say remove each of these posts soon or split the thread but I fear it wouldn't change the sentiment. There is no shame in moderating this forum.

So, write what you want - I am not here to dictate jack. I did however notice that because of what I previously stated, I cannot approach (seriously) my clients and present them with this showing of our arses.


With all that out of the way:
Mr. Moon, the new phorum is very nice. I've been keeping up with the development and it's righteous. Gotta love that clean look. The self moderation (ignore user) was brilliant and needed. How else can I be ignored? laf.

So mucho props to Brian for keeping this staple of SNDG running...except for power outages and probably improper BIOS power settings ;)

BTW - The first thing I did to remove what I'm talking about from my own attitude was to start using my real name as a sig. It's a start. And I am sorry for contributing to this thread hijack.

*whew*]]> acerun SN Board of Directors Fri, 31 Mar 2006 11:16:34 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76417#msg-76417 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76417#msg-76417
order me an Irish one will you? And get Brad an Elvis one.]]> imarc SN Board of Directors Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:17:48 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76413#msg-76413 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76413#msg-76413
CAFEPRESS.COM IS A RIP-OFF!!!!

AND SO IS MYWORLDFLAGS.COM!!! DON't order from them!!!!]]> Bluff Magee SN Board of Directors Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:56:59 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76410#msg-76410 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76410#msg-76410 www.myworldflags.com]

I suggest a Zambia Ringer T. Very cool. Kenya also has some really nice colors in its flag. I am thinking the white hat on that one though.

Maybe you can buy that imarc guy a cool United Kingdom shirt too.

Rob may not have any potential sponsors right now because he would be ashamed to ask someone and them come look here. That's how I feel. The SN Forum has pretty much turned into what the PDGA Board used to be until they cleaned it up.

In regards to hecklers, your crazy if you think that GregoNose or Kernen bring anything at all to the Forums that help disc golf and help the SN's.]]> Memphisdiscgolf SN Board of Directors Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:38:58 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76409#msg-76409 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76409#msg-76409
Yeah thank goodness we live in such a wholesome society where our elected officials always tell the truth and it's Disneyland every flippin day everywhere you look. I really would be embarrassed to have any of them visit the forum. i'm so ashamed of everything i've ever posted here. it's no wonder no one ever came to my tournaments.

i can't believe my posts were able to ruin the SN, i mean, sheesh, there's only 5 SN tournaments going on this weekend!!! before i started posting there must have been 10 every weekend, right?]]> Bluff Magee SN Board of Directors Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:35:38 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76402#msg-76402 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76402#msg-76402 Now, the reference to me running it like a business is, even more out of TOUCH! Trust me Brad, I have put some time in on helping the future of the SN and so has everyone on the Board! Now if I was running this like a business, I would have fired all of the BOD that was on board with the last SNAC! Can I do that??? No, so on with the show!
Rob has some good points but, since I know him Im curious as to whom he speaks of as potential sponsors. I hate to say it and maybe I should not but, DG is what the players make it and last I checked very few are doing anything to move it forward! The hecklers are at least voicing there thoughts right, or wrong.
Good luck with the sponsors. May I suggest CFR's?? Just ask BRAD what to do with the MONEY:} hehehe!]]> Tax Man SN Board of Directors Fri, 31 Mar 2006 05:36:03 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76385#msg-76385 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76385#msg-76385 Russ C SN Board of Directors Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:18:39 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76384#msg-76384 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76384#msg-76384
But don't blame lack of sponsorship on the formum smartasses. The SBOTW is pretty much the only thread that the weirdos frequent. Most of the others are nice and bland, the way you like it, and are really more of a bulletin board than the SBOTW thread. In fact, a bulletin board could take the place of most of them.]]> blueboy SN Board of Directors Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:54:36 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76383#msg-76383 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76383#msg-76383
Maybe you think all of these people are funny and don't really realize how much Greg and Kernen have ruined the Forum and are ruining the SN's in turn. Act like someone who is running a business or company Bob. You are one of the "leaders" of the SN's. If you can't see how much damage has been done by these guys, then you are out of touch.

Brad]]> Memphisdiscgolf SN Board of Directors Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:44:43 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76382#msg-76382 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?4,63365,76382#msg-76382
I agree with rob cassell.

at least until the site improves.

rWc]]> Russ C SN Board of Directors Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:44:14 -0600