My weekend disc golf experience Ok...this is actually about disc golf but it is a very negative post so I wanted to keep it off the main forum. So yesterday morning I got up at 4am and drove 2.5 hours to play in an event that I thought would be awesome. So we get there and the advertised price for my division was$40. Thought that was a bit pricey for 2 rounds of golf in the adv master division..but low and behold I was charged $10 for not being a Pdga member so now I'm $50 in to a 2 round event. Well the first round starts and all 80+ players except for me and another gentleman are playing with our own divisions...but we are unfortunately playing with the 2 am ladies that are there..I have nothing against playing golf with anyone but when I am competing against my peers at least let me play with them...especially if I have invested a stupid amount like that for a 2 round event. Also, it would help if you are going to advertise a shirt as a player pack ...have some that fit people..course was great...period.. http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190094#msg-190094 Tue, 21 May 2013 12:10:21 -0500 Phorum 5.2.15a http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,203937#msg-203937 Re: My weekend disc golf experience http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,203937#msg-203937
I agree with you 100% that the wording needs to be changed to reflect the original intent!

The Southern Nationals growth has always depended on getting new players into the fold! Anything done that prohibits players from entering an event is counterproductive! I will ALWAYS allow women and novice players to play, no matter how many there are! And THAT does NOT go against any rules or guidelines.

From the PDGA Rulebook:

A. Players are not allowed to enter a division for which they are ineligible. Please see The Table of PDGA Tour Player Divisions for specifics.

B. A player is solely responsible for knowing what division(s) they are eligible to compete in. Entry into an ineligible division may result in disqualification from the event and/or suspension from PDGA events.

C. Players are allowed to compete in only one division per event unless the event has divisions competing on a different day or weekend and is listed as two distinct entries in the PDGA calendar.

D. A player must properly identify themselves when competing in a PGDA sanctioned event. Players who wish to remain anonymous or who assume a false identity will be disqualified from the event and face potential suspension from the PDGA tour.

E. Professional players entering into a Professional division compete for money and Amateur players entering into a Professional division may accept merchandise in lieu of cash.

F. Players entering into an Amateur division compete for trophies and/or prizes.

G. Female players may compete in male divisions if they wish, but male players may not compete in female divisions.

H. A player registered as an Amateur may compete in any Pro division for they are eligible based on age and sex.

I. A player registered as a Professional may only compete in Amateur divisions in select cases. (See Section 2.4 for specifics)

J. A Tournament Director may, by giving adequate public notice, restrict the divisions offered. Absent such notice, the director shall offer for competition any division which has four or more players that are eligible and wishing to compete. Tournament Directors may offer divisions with less than four players at their discretion.

K. All Bump rules are invalid and not allowed at PDGA sanctioned events. Players shall be allowed to play in any divisions they might be eligible for, if those divisions are offered by the Tournament Director.



So, basically, the TD has quite a bit of leeway in the way he, or she, runs their event, within the limits of the PDGA rules and the Southern National Guidelines, with the PDGA rules being the first source o reference!

When the BOD originally wrote the handbook they basically just did a "cut and past" of the PDGA rules! They could have done a better job, but, since all Southern National events DO apply the PDGA rules, there are sometimes conflicts, and misinterpretations.

Main thing is, we ALL want as many to enjoy the Southern National Tournament Series as possible, and it cannot be done by turning away players, no matter the gender!

Oh, and Gilligan, your post did not make a lot of sense, unless your intention was to try to stir somethng up, which I don't think should be the job of a BOD member!]]> DG Guy Off Topic Discussion Wed, 03 Aug 2011 10:38:49 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,203934#msg-203934 Re: My weekend disc golf experience http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,203934#msg-203934 Discjazz Off Topic Discussion Wed, 03 Aug 2011 10:11:42 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,203897#msg-203897 Re: My weekend disc golf experience http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,203897#msg-203897 Gilligan Off Topic Discussion Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:59:23 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,203896#msg-203896 Re: My weekend disc golf experience http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,203896#msg-203896 -------------------------------------------------------
> "guidelines do state that you hve to have three
> players to create a division"
>
> I disagree. That is not the current rule. The
> rules provide that a TD must offer certain
> divisions if there are 3 or more players and the
> TD has not published otherwise. A TD can allow a
> division of one (1) without violating any rule.
> The odd thing about our rule is that women and
> novice can be denied a division without advance
> notice even if there are more than three players.
> Nobody thinks that is or should be the rule but
> that is what Handbook 1.1 says.

1.1 The following classifications shall be used for all Southern National Disc Golf (SNDG) sanctioned tournaments. All female players may compete in duplicate divisions as those offered for male players. Female players may compete in male divisions if they choose, but male players may not compete in female divisions. A director may, by giving adequate public notice, restrict the divisions offered. Absent such notice, the director shall offer for competition any division which has three or more players in attendance with exception to any women and novice in attendance.

I think you are misinterpreting the guideline! The exception is that women and novice may play with a division of less than three players!

It is saying that a TD can restrict the offered divisions, BUT must allow a new division if there are three player! The exception is that, no matter what, women and novice players will be allowed to play even if they do NOT have three players!

I must admit the wordng could use some clarification, but that is what it means!

Having run as many as 15 events a year in the past, this has always been the standard in the Southern Nationals to get more players of both genders playing tournaments.

If you did it the other way there would be a lot of casual players who would never play in a sanctioned event, which would be a great loss to the series!]]> DG Guy Off Topic Discussion Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:50:50 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,203853#msg-203853 Re: My weekend disc golf experience http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,203853#msg-203853
I disagree. That is not the current rule. The rules provide that a TD must offer certain divisions if there are 3 or more players and the TD has not published otherwise. A TD can allow a division of one (1) without violating any rule. The odd thing about our rule is that women and novice can be denied a division without advance notice even if there are more than three players. Nobody thinks that is or should be the rule but that is what Handbook 1.1 says.]]> Discjazz Off Topic Discussion Tue, 02 Aug 2011 17:44:07 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,203797#msg-203797 Re: My weekend disc golf experience http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,203797#msg-203797
blueboy, Yes, the guidelines do state that you hve to have three players to create a division, however, the Southern Nationals has ALWAYS tried to promote women in Disc GOlf to get more women playing. There have been many one players womens divisions that I have seen! You just can't turn in a two player card unless an official walks with the group to score.

tracemaster, I know how frustrating it can be to not be allowed to play with your division! You will find this a lot more in a pDGA sactioned event that in the Southern Nationals since they prefer a divisional start, which should be by rankng, not random calls! But unless they have the current ranking, it would be very hard to do! Of course, the second round should be sorted by scores. Your post did not say if you played both rounds with them or not. If you were not at the bottom of yur division, then you should have been ranked according to your score for the first round. If this was not done, then they made a mistake!

As for the pricing, notwithstanding the pDGA $10 fee, all entries SHOULD be going to the payout, less sanctioning fees and awards, etc.. The more you pay, the more you can win! Dual sactioning can take a good cut out of a low entry fee!]]> DG Guy Off Topic Discussion Tue, 02 Aug 2011 12:56:37 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,201443#msg-201443 Re: My weekend disc golf experience http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,201443#msg-201443
I don't think they were picking on you or being malicious in general.]]> blueboy Off Topic Discussion Sat, 09 Jul 2011 20:28:21 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,199148#msg-199148 Re: My weekend disc golf experience http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,199148#msg-199148 Gilligan Off Topic Discussion Fri, 17 Jun 2011 08:01:49 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,199139#msg-199139 Re: My weekend disc golf experience http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,199139#msg-199139 -------------------------------------------------------
> Maybe that is why you also missed the fact that
> this was a pDGA event and everyone else that has
> been playing long enough to call themselves a
> "master" knows that if you aren't a current pDGA
> member you pay an extra $10 bucks.
>
> Pretty simple there.

As someone nearing the age to play masters, Gilligan is confusing me a bit. Other than being 40 or older, do I have a minimum number of years played requirement as well to play masters. I also have a friend who would like to start playing masters but has only played for a few months. Do you have to be playing for a long time to be a master?]]> T_Bo_Max Off Topic Discussion Fri, 17 Jun 2011 00:02:08 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,192870#msg-192870 Re: My weekend disc golf experience http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,192870#msg-192870 > TD, if you can't get every player on cards by
> division the 1st round then all need to play in
> mixed divisions the first round. The answer "
> somebody had to play with them" don't cut it with
> me...

If you do not mind me asking, why do you have such a problem with this? Was there a particular situation which happened or is it a blanket statement?]]> biodarwin Off Topic Discussion Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:47:35 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,192172#msg-192172 Re: My weekend disc golf experience http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,192172#msg-192172 -------------------------------------------------------
> I love it when the ladies beat me
>
>
>
> at disc golf, of course.....
>
>
>
> DOH!
>
> : )

LOL]]> Karen J. Off Topic Discussion Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:41:56 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,191991#msg-191991 Re: My weekend disc golf experience http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,191991#msg-191991


at disc golf, of course.....



DOH!

: )]]> bryan griffin Off Topic Discussion Tue, 15 Mar 2011 08:30:44 -0500 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190958#msg-190958 Re: My weekend disc golf experience http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190958#msg-190958 lesliez Off Topic Discussion Fri, 04 Mar 2011 08:02:12 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190952#msg-190952 Re: My weekend disc golf experience http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190952#msg-190952 -------------------------------------------------------
>
> The answer " somebody had to play with them" don't
> cut it with me...
> I'd like to know who this TD is (PDGA or Not), so
> I don't support a TD that feels this way. I know
> quite a few am women that could beat am men, and a
> large number of pro women that beat am and/or
> advanced men at every tournament....just sayin'
> :) I could understand not wanting to play with a
> lady that is beating you, it would be tramatizing
> ;) JK!!!

Just like some of us want to know which TD's did not send in their SN fees from the last year so we dont support those chumps either.
But unlike us you will get the info you want. We, the rest of the players, are just left hanging in the dark.

JABBA]]> frzbman Off Topic Discussion Fri, 04 Mar 2011 07:19:45 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190900#msg-190900 Re: My weekend disc golf experience http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190900#msg-190900 The posted price should have included the $10, and then you get a discount for being a member when you pay.
Also, either mix them all up the first round, or not, but BE FAIR and CONSISTENT!!! This has frustrated me in the past as well.

The answer " somebody had to play with them" don't cut it with me...
I'd like to know who this TD is (PDGA or Not), so I don't support a TD that feels this way. I know quite a few am women that could beat am men, and a large number of pro women that beat am and/or advanced men at every tournament....just sayin' :) I could understand not wanting to play with a lady that is beating you, it would be tramatizing ;) JK!!!]]> lesliez Off Topic Discussion Thu, 03 Mar 2011 13:10:48 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190518#msg-190518 Re: My weekend disc golf experience http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190518#msg-190518
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Kernan
But keep on lying, it's what the current BoD is best at.

IF that is true then seems like you would be a perfect fit.]]> Gilligan Off Topic Discussion Tue, 01 Mar 2011 18:48:48 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190476#msg-190476 Re: My weekend disc golf experience http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190476#msg-190476
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Sarcastic Sam
I believe the shirts this year are black, which is our favorite color, because it makes us look slimmer!


Only you Gilligan could attempt to twist such a positive statement about a certain color and attempt to defame. But keep on lying, it's what the current BoD is best at. That and running players away from the SN and of course, doing nothing about problems while creating new ones. Good job!]]> Sarcastic Sam Off Topic Discussion Tue, 01 Mar 2011 14:43:54 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190445#msg-190445 Re: My weekend disc golf experience http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190445#msg-190445 BUD Off Topic Discussion Tue, 01 Mar 2011 12:45:39 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190436#msg-190436 Re: My weekend disc golf experience http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190436#msg-190436
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He's even worse in person if u can believe it but fortunately he has grown too afraid with good reason to show up at most places.

Another great example of a black pot comment... I thought you didn't like certain shades of black Kernan? That pot of yours doesn't get much blacker these days... it's Spinal Tap black!]]> Gilligan Off Topic Discussion Tue, 01 Mar 2011 12:06:42 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190433#msg-190433 Re: My weekend disc golf experience http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190433#msg-190433
He's even worse in person if u can believe it but fortunately he has grown too afraid with good reason to show up at most places.

On the subject, sometimes it's unavoidable to mix divisions on cards, but the $10 fee should have been posted. It is a huge problem with pDGA events and one of the reasons the SN would be a better series if the BOD would fix the real $$$$$ problem$$$$$ in the SN and quit trying to run everyone with a pulse off the forum.]]> Sarcastic Sam Off Topic Discussion Tue, 01 Mar 2011 12:03:54 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190308#msg-190308 Re: My weekend disc golf experience http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190308#msg-190308 Gilligan Off Topic Discussion Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:40:17 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190300#msg-190300 Re: My weekend disc golf experience http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190300#msg-190300 tracemaster Off Topic Discussion Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:27:06 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190296#msg-190296 Re: My weekend disc golf experience http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190296#msg-190296 tracemaster Off Topic Discussion Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:24:03 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190289#msg-190289 Re: My weekend disc golf experience http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190289#msg-190289
BTW, you just broke guideline number one.]]> Gilligan Off Topic Discussion Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:09:55 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190281#msg-190281 Re: My weekend disc golf experience http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190281#msg-190281 tracemaster Off Topic Discussion Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:58:24 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190274#msg-190274 Re: My weekend disc golf experience http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190274#msg-190274
Maybe that is why you also missed the fact that this was a pDGA event and everyone else that has been playing long enough to call themselves a "master" knows that if you aren't a current pDGA member you pay an extra $10 bucks.

Pretty simple there.]]> Gilligan Off Topic Discussion Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:44:26 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190269#msg-190269 Re: My weekend disc golf experience http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190269#msg-190269 tracemaster Off Topic Discussion Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:27:34 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190242#msg-190242 Re: My weekend disc golf experience http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190242#msg-190242 -------------------------------------------------------
> I also don't think it's the best idea for a TD to
> say you had a chance to play on another card, you
> just didn't shoot good enough.


LOL... why not... this is how "one of the best TD's in the SN" handles this exact situation when it comes up for him.

*edit* actually let me fix that... I don't really know this situation from this weekend... but at "the best TD's" situation it could have easily been avoided.]]> Gilligan Off Topic Discussion Mon, 28 Feb 2011 16:48:13 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190222#msg-190222 Re: My weekend disc golf experience http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190222#msg-190222 tracemaster Off Topic Discussion Mon, 28 Feb 2011 13:09:45 -0600 http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190211#msg-190211 Re: My weekend disc golf experience http://www.sndg.org/forum/read.php?9,190094,190211#msg-190211 Dillon Gourley Off Topic Discussion Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:28:04 -0600