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Posted by Local Pro 
Local Pro
December 16, 2002 04:12PM
It was brought to my attention the other day that our local Am's are getting disturbed because (in there eyes) the pro's are taking the majority of the winnings week after week. BTW Our local crew (30+ players (only 6 pro's)) have a BDD Scramble every weekend for $5 per player. The winnings are broken down similar to SN tourny's. For instance 28 players = $140 broken down we would pay $60 - $40 - $30 - $10 for four places...spreading the wealth. Naturally giving more chances to cash. Again, the Am's complaint is the same, Pro's are winning all the money weekly. So their solution is to penalize the Pro players with a +3 stroke handicap/disadvantage. Basicly starting on hole #1 at 3 over par. This is to compensate for the less skilled players to up their chances of cashing. Now, we already have a 3 stroke handicap for the women and grand masters. (this has worked out fairly well--our women and old guys need it ;^) But now you start adding 3 strokes to Pro's...This creates an odd offset... ie...If a Pro and women team up, you start even 0. If a woman and grand master team up, they start at -6...If a Pro is the odd man, and pays for two throws, he would start at +6....Where is all this going????
Are our Pro's that good???? Or, are our Am's just crying because they don't get a good pick/partner. If you ask me, thats the whole meaning of "Blind-Draw-Doubles-Scramble." I just thought I'd throw this out to the whole DG population and get a majority ruling. Because this may effect my annual income by about 60%.
Re: Blind-Draw-Dbl's-Scramble
December 16, 2002 04:44PM
Being one of the oldies but baddies I agree with that we don't need to penalize the Pro's for being good.

btw...that idea came from a Pro! What was he thinking? ;-)

I've seen several doubles matches put on by people like Scott Stokely and Brian Maceman where they made sure that no two Pros were teamed together. This seems to be a fair way for the Am's to have a chance at winning and to not penalize the pros.

Even though we are talking about the Lafayette area ( thing ya' know I'll be calling "Local Pro" by his real name), we would like to get everone's input on this.

Thanks for listening
Re: Blind-Draw-Dbl's-Scramble
December 16, 2002 04:51PM
Luck of the draw boys...Griff's slacker round cash has been bouncing into the billfolds of Todd Alexander, John Linton, Philipp Raymond Scott Davis... Chris Campbell and so on and so on for years.........BUT when I draw a BIG DAWG, LOOK OUT cause the $$$ shall be mine sayeth the scramblin' counsel!!!!
Re: Blind-Draw-Dbl's-Scramble
December 17, 2002 04:17PM
Why is there two of these threads?

Local Pro
Re: Blind-Draw-Dbl's-Scramble
December 17, 2002 04:46PM
sorry about the double thread...thought a new topic name would get a little more response..."Stroke those @#$%& Pro's." haha
Re: Blind-Draw-Dbl's-Scramble
December 17, 2002 05:14PM
I think in league or in doubles a third of the field is all that should be paid out. Sure it's for fun, but the entry is only $5. Half is way too much.

And no, pros should not be given any strokes. But maybe you can be sure that a Pro doesn't end up with another pro.
Re: Blind-Draw-Dbl's-Scramble
December 17, 2002 07:26PM
Thanks Zinger...I agree. Spoken like a real pro...;-)
Die-hard Disc Golfer
Re: Blind-Draw-Dbl's-Scramble
December 17, 2002 10:01PM

I am a local that does play BDD quite often. Giving the 3 strokes to women seniors jrs was a nice gesture, it does give those in those divisions a BETTER CHANCE of placing. Most in those divisions do not have the D or the consistancy the others DO have. I think it is very unfair to penalize the Pro/Adv. for having the game we all WISH we could. We are drawing more people to our course because the course itself is a challange. The strokes GIVEN are done so to try and help bring more of the crowd in, therefore increasing the pot AND the payout. By penalizing our better players, WHY would they want to even think of coming to Laf. or even our local pros sticking around when they are having strokes SUBTRACTED because of their dedication and skill and years of playing???? WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE LAFAYETTE, ARE WE TRYING TO SCARE BETTER SKILLED PLAYERS FROM PLAYING OUR SUNDAY BDD????
When we get the second 18 hole course up at Acadiana Park, on Sundays we could play BDD in the morning on one course, then play a round of handicap league play on the the other course in the afternoon. That way we could leave the BDD like they are, but give the ams and novice players a chance to win in the handicap league. If that would be too much for 1 day, we could play the handicap league on Saturday mornings during the winter or during the evening on a week day during the summer. Other than that if some folks would still want make it more competitive for all players in BDD we could do like Maceman runs his doubles and split the draw into 2 groups with one group, the pros, advance picking say red then teaming up with a person from the black group, ams. women and juniors. The am masters could be a swing group to even up the difference in either group on any given day. Just 2 more cents! And Jim, I am still trying to Ace one for you.
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