A stink needs to be stirred up on this dead beat of a series.

Well i agree gourley but people get offensive..

Whether they are the "old" rules or not, as long as they are linked on the home page, they are the current rules. And according to the six month rule, he didn't do anything wrong.

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[www.sndg.org]

That is the link to the new handbook draft, first 3 sections I know have been approved.

They may have been approved, but the old handbook is still linked to the home page. People are going to look there (not dig through the forums) if they need clarification on a rule.

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He NEVER looked(according to Cody). Guilty as charged.

contrast Wrote:
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> They may have been approved, but the old handbook
> is still linked to the home page. People are
> going to look there (not dig through the forums)
> if they need clarification on a rule.


Yes I know, It will be on the front page once it is all shined up and approved. I was only posting this info because of an email asking for this info.

Wayne, Could you quote where I said they never read the rules please? Still do not see where I said that.

The new draft is pretty clear, whats not clear is the "old" handbook is on the front page while a person has to sift through old posts to find the "new". I am sure this will be remedied as soon as possible to avoid any more confusion.

Suggestion for the future:

Place copies of the appropriate rule(s) for eligibility and divisions at tournament central. Players will be required to read the rules, print their name, and sign a form before they can pay and declare the division they will play. The form players sign simply states that they understand the rules and understand that the punishment for breaking the rules is the return of all winnings or a 5-year ban from SNs (lifetime ban in the case of SN Championships) if they chose not to return the ill-gotten winnings.

There is really no excuse for ignorance, but since some people don't know how to do the correct and decent thing, we need to create a system of accountability.

Tommy Browning

i totally agree max!

Boom! Someone make a PDF of the current rules that we are expected to follow. I will print them and bring them to every tourney I attend. I'm sure others out there will do the same.

Sounds great to me Max then theres no excuse...

See how easy that is...Is this ok in the eyes of the BOD???

What BOD? You mean John K who is busy serving this fine fine country or you mean Eric Day?

Btw. I am one of your choices for the BOD election this year. I can come up with solutions like the one above when serving on the board. I like to trouble shoot, and I would appreciate your votes.

-Tommy Browning

Check out all your BOD candidates at this link:

[www.sndg.org]

Dillon bashes the very BOD he was on. What great things did you get accomplished?

Brad, there has not been a BOD in 2 years. This one is more defunct than the one I was on.

You just won yourself a nomination buddy.

Wayne has it right!!!! Just ban.drom.sn.tournaments for 2 years & forfeiture of prizes!!!!!

Every year something comes up about the championships being held. Arguments go back and forth about whether the SN rules were followed. Then someone finds out after the fact that someone might have broken a rule. What I'm about to say only pertains to the CHampionships. It frustrates me the most when we as TD's offer our time and effort to host championship events and are given zero guidelines from anyone on what SN expects. I've said this before that in 2009 SNPC I had no idea how the championship was supposed to be organized. Example: top 10 players given a chance to purchase the top 10 SN bag tags, BOD awards ceremony for Points winners and more, shuffling the players cards based on points, and more. Now I am seeing players giving TD's crap for something they have little control over. I certainly wouldn't be looking up each player to see If they are in tge correct division. What hurts the most is signing players up on that Friday and not having Internet. Regardless on Friday in 2009, the line for players to sign up stretched out into the parking lot (which was far). It would take forever to look up half those players.
It would however be a step in the right direction to have a form at check in saying "Due to SN having players participate in the championships without points and/or playing in an incorrect division, we ask you to sign this form awknowelging you have.qualified for this event. If you participate in this event without meeting the above requirements you will be disqualified and must serve a ONE year ban from participating in SN events and the following years championships." sign and date
Here's another question for anyone: is the sponsorship option still available for players with no points? Another problem that needs to be fixed if not all ready.

Trackin01 Wrote:
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> Every year something comes up about the
> championships being held. Arguments go back and
> forth about whether the SN rules were followed.
> Then someone finds out after the fact that someone
> might have broken a rule. What I'm about to say
> only pertains to the CHampionships. It frustrates
> me the most when we as TD's offer our time and
> effort to host championship events and are given
> zero guidelines from anyone on what SN expects.
> I've said this before that in 2009 SNPC I had no
> idea how the championship was supposed to be
> organized. Example: top 10 players given a chance
> to purchase the top 10 SN bag tags, BOD awards
> ceremony for Points winners and more, shuffling
> the players cards based on points, and more. Now I
> am seeing players giving TD's crap for something
> they have little control over. I certainly
> wouldn't be looking up each player to see If they
> are in tge correct division. What hurts the most
> is signing players up on that Friday and not
> having Internet. Regardless on Friday in 2009, the
> line for players to sign up stretched out into the
> parking lot (which was far). It would take forever
> to look up half those players.
> It would however be a step in the right direction
> to have a form at check in saying "Due to SN
> having players participate in the championships
> without points and/or playing in an incorrect
> division, we ask you to sign this form
> awknowelging you have.qualified for this event. If
> you participate in this event without meeting the
> above requirements you will be disqualified and
> must serve a ONE year ban from participating in SN
> events and the following years championships."
> sign and date
> Here's another question for anyone: is the
> sponsorship option still available for players
> with no points? Another problem that needs to be
> fixed if not all ready.


Great post! I know the sponsorship option wasn't available for the SNDC, I'm not sure about the other championships

Buzzz > Roc

I think they did away with sponsorship exemption after the 2010 SNC's.

a female pro player used the sponsorship exemption last year in the SNDC if i recall correctly.

Lizz Acosta Pearson?

DiscJazz, Eric, Jamie, John K. ................is there a concrete decision or rule on the sponsorship issue? I will go out there and vote a NO on it if it's still in the rules.

Trackin01 Wrote:
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> DiscJazz, Eric, Jamie, John K. ................is
> there a concrete decision or rule on the
> sponsorship issue? I will go out there and vote a
> NO on it if it's still in the rules.


I am 90% sure we did away with it. I'm out of town now, but I can look it up Friday when I get home.

After Nikko cleaned house at the 2010 SNPC, I am pretty sure they got rid of it. Who knows those right?

[www.sndg.org]

I was able to find it, "2 points to play" rule is the current rule.

Their team had a throw off with Micky and Michelle and people were telling us how much she contributed to the tournament for the sponsorship exemption. I am about 99% positive that it was sponsorship exemption.

codyroberts18 Wrote:
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> After Nikko cleaned house at the 2010 SNPC, I am
> pretty sure they got rid of it. Who knows those
> right?