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Ratings Fee...would you pay?

Posted by M Russell 
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Re: Ratings Fee...would you pay?
March 29, 2013 06:16PM
Well before I started computing the former SN ratings, I was against using them for classification purposes. But like I said earlier, the evidence shows almost no one is playing in an easier division than their rating would dictate. So it wouldn't be controversial in my humble opinion to use ratings for that.
Re: Ratings Fee...would you pay?
March 29, 2013 08:56PM
No. If we're gonna cough up an extra buck, we need to use it to pay for a new website.
Re: Ratings Fee...would you pay?
March 29, 2013 09:33PM
AMEN!!!!!

jacques Wrote:
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> No. If we're gonna cough up an extra buck, we
> need to use it to pay for a new website.

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Re: Ratings Fee...would you pay?
March 30, 2013 09:14AM
The ratings don't make any difference in how I are anybody else actually preforms out on a disc golf course, so therefore it is useless in my opinion! A new more updated website would be way more useful to the Southern Nationals than the one we are currently having to deal with.
Re: Ratings Fee...would you pay?
March 30, 2013 02:11PM
I agree that a better web site would be worth more than ratings (by a lot).

I do understand, but disagree with, the opinion that ratings are not worth a dollar.

What I do not understand is the opinion that ratings are worth a dollar only with ratings classification when there are no players who would be forced up by ratings classification. That is a logic leap I'm just not getting.
Re: Ratings Fee...would you pay?
March 30, 2013 02:17PM
They are worth a dollar, but not worth kissing someone's arse for. It needs to be bought into, not volunteered. A volunteer can take it away as soon as they don't get their way. The person whom gets some $$ would hopefully act professional.

Terry Zeringue
Re: Ratings Fee...would you pay?
March 30, 2013 04:24PM
How do we know if anyone would be forced to move up if we don't have a rating range for each division yet? We wouldn't be able to go by what range the PDGA has for each division since they don't have the same number of divisions.

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Re: Ratings Fee...would you pay?
March 30, 2013 04:47PM
contrast Wrote:
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> How do we know if anyone would be forced to move
> up if we don't have a rating range for each
> division yet? We wouldn't be able to go by what
> range the PDGA has for each division since they
> don't have the same number of divisions.


Exactly. That is why it makes no sense (to me) to say a ratings classification system should be in place before we have some sustainable ratings data to consider. It's cart before the horse logic to me. The answer is to either pay for ratings for a year or two first and see how it goes or just forget about it because it ain't worth it.
Anonymous User
Re: Ratings Fee...would you pay?
March 30, 2013 06:32PM
For division placement, yes. Otherwise, no.
Re: Ratings Fee...would you pay?
March 31, 2013 09:08AM
PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD FORGET ABOUT IT

JABBA


it MUST be the plastic
Re: Ratings Fee...would you pay?
March 31, 2013 11:07AM
AMEN!


frzbman Wrote:
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> PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD FORGET ABOUT IT
>
> JABBA

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Re: Ratings Fee...would you pay?
March 31, 2013 12:04PM
I just think something is askew in that the not rules concerning a classification are when one can move DOWN. there should be rules both ways IMO.

An idea that was discussed recently is flighting which I really like a lot. Granted, this is no perfect fix but I'm not sure there is a such thing. The thing that's great about flighting is while one could sandbag to be in lower division, they have no way how well rest of the competitors are playing so its a blind gamble at best.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/31/2013 12:11PM by M Russell.
Re: Ratings Fee...would you pay?
March 31, 2013 02:28PM
No, a dollar comming out of my pocket is useless for ratings if we dont have a new and updated website. The SN really needs a new website.

Nick Robichaux
Acadiana Disc Golf Assoiciation and Flight Club Disc Golf
PDGA# 54519
Anonymous User
Re: Ratings Fee...would you pay?
March 31, 2013 02:39PM
M Russell Wrote:
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> I just think something is askew in that the not
> rules concerning a classification are when one can
> move DOWN. there should be rules both ways IMO.
>

Mr. Russell, as I stated before, the former SN Ratings did not indicate there were any players playing in a division lower than their rating, so that is probably why there is no SN rule forcing anyone to move up.

However, there may be players who weren't rated that we missed. Are you saying you think there are a lot of baggers in your neck of the woods, and if so could you give us their names so we can investigate? You can send me a PM if you don't want to call them out here.

Also do you think if someone did SN Ratings for free and the SN used them to make baggers move up, would that be a good idea?
Re: Ratings Fee...would you pay?
March 31, 2013 08:15PM
Bluff,
The idea that there are a few folks that could move up is simply my opinion. The fact that there is only a rule concerning moving down is a bigger issue to me. This is certainly not pointed at any player for sure. As far as using free ratings, I'm not sure. .
Re: Ratings Fee...would you pay?
March 31, 2013 08:31PM
TheZinger Wrote:
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> They are worth a dollar, but not worth kissing
> someone's arse for. It needs to be bought into,
> not volunteered. A volunteer can take it away as
> soon as they don't get their way. The person whom
> gets some $$ would hopefully act professional.

Terry Zeringue
Re: Ratings Fee...would you pay?
March 31, 2013 09:45PM
Like i said before, if the SN pays for any service, it has to be the website first!

Nick Robichaux
Acadiana Disc Golf Assoiciation and Flight Club Disc Golf
PDGA# 54519
Re: Ratings Fee...would you pay?
March 31, 2013 11:32PM
If we start paying for ratings, and charging more for tournaments, and then gettin all strict about divisions based on ratings, we might as well just sanction every thing PDGA, I like Southern Nationals because of the fact that they are not so anal like the PDGA. If people really want ratings, why dont we just get some to write a ratings calculator program, and include it on the website somewhere. If you wanna know your rating, go punch in whatever info is needed, and get your rating.

Central Louisiana Disc Golf Association President
Ryan Niccolini PDGA#55907
Re: Ratings Fee...would you pay?
April 01, 2013 05:57AM
Who cares what your rating is if it doesn't define your division? People want ratings to define where we should play, not just to know what the number is. I agree that if SN goes to Ratings, we might as well have pdga events. Also, SN is really in a losing battle in my opinion because the only way to improve is to become more like the PDGA and that might cause everything to go to pdga because SN probably can't keep up.

niklpenny Wrote:
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> If we start paying for ratings, and charging more
> for tournaments, and then gettin all strict about
> divisions based on ratings, we might as well just
> sanction every thing PDGA, I like Southern
> Nationals because of the fact that they are not so
> anal like the PDGA. If people really want ratings,
> why dont we just get some to write a ratings
> calculator program, and include it on the website
> somewhere. If you wanna know your rating, go punch
> in whatever info is needed, and get your rating.
Re: Ratings Fee...would you pay?
April 01, 2013 12:12PM
We do? or YOU do? Who are "these people" Dustin?
Im part of "the people" and I want nothing to do with ratings ....for any reason.
and I sure do not see a majority of the SN people even just the ones online that want them...much less those that are not online.
Im not alone in my anti-ratings feelings. and I suppose you arent either.
Perhaps the SN BOD should just focus on something that can be achieved ....LIKE A NEW WEBSITE.

JABBA


dustin morris Wrote:
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> Who cares what your rating is if it doesn't define
> your division? People want ratings to define
> where we should play, not just to know what the
> number is.
I agree that if SN goes to Ratings, we
> might as well have pdga events. Also, SN is really
> in a losing battle in my opinion because the only
> way to improve is to become more like the PDGA and
> that might cause everything to go to pdga because
> SN probably can't keep up.
>
> niklpenny Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If we start paying for ratings, and charging
> more
> > for tournaments, and then gettin all strict
> about
> > divisions based on ratings, we might as well
> just
> > sanction every thing PDGA, I like Southern
> > Nationals because of the fact that they are not
> so
> > anal like the PDGA. If people really want
> ratings,
> > why dont we just get some to write a ratings
> > calculator program, and include it on the
> website
> > somewhere. If you wanna know your rating, go
> punch
> > in whatever info is needed, and get your rating.


it MUST be the plastic
Re: Ratings Fee...would you pay?
April 01, 2013 12:37PM
Every SN player that has a recent PDGA number, more than likely wants ratings. Memphis is having more and more pdga events. Tupelo is having PDGA events. I would say there is more people that want ratings and it might just kill SN over if SN doesn't do something. But what can SN do? I have no idea. Just keep watching more SN tournaments turn to pdga events. You don't see pdga events going to SN.
Re: Ratings Fee...would you pay?
April 01, 2013 12:43PM
Sorry Dustin I dont see it...at least not in my neck of the woods...and I do have a pdga number (3041) and still dont want ratings...pDGA's or SN's.
and absolutely dont want them to determine divisions. Thanks.

JABBA


it MUST be the plastic
Re: Ratings Fee...would you pay?
April 01, 2013 12:45PM
Someone on the board of directors, please contact me about Updating the website. I have a website programmer who can build a newer better version, and I can probably build you a server capable of hosting the site as opposed to paying for hosting.
318-305-1636

Central Louisiana Disc Golf Association President
Ryan Niccolini PDGA#55907
Re: Ratings Fee...would you pay?
April 01, 2013 01:19PM
What would you prefer to determine division? I also said recent pdga numbers. I know how you feel about the ratings system because this is about the 100th time that we have discussed this. You do have a good enough reason to dislike the rating system. But now you can actually see SN fading in the background in some of the biggest SN events. Even our championships have been dual sanctioned. You will see. SN never moves forward and that is why this series will not last. I like the SN but it hasn't made improvments sinces I started golfing.

frzbman Wrote:
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> Sorry Dustin I dont see it...at least not in my
> neck of the woods...and I do have a pdga number
> (3041) and still dont want ratings...pDGA's or
> SN's.
> and absolutely dont want them to determine
> divisions. Thanks.
>
> JABBA
Anonymous User
Re: Ratings Fee...would you pay?
April 01, 2013 02:09PM
The SNAC isn't dual sanctioned and the only reason the SNPC is dual sanctioned is for the USDGC spots.
Re: Ratings Fee...would you pay?
April 01, 2013 02:51PM
You are exactly correct Dillon. But why is our series wasting our money for their series when they could care less about SN? Doesn't matter the reason why it was dual sanctioned. PDGA is better in every way in my opinion and I don't think I could be convinced otherwise. Except costing less what does SN offer that PDGA doesn't?
Re: Ratings Fee...would you pay?
April 01, 2013 03:18PM
dustin morris Wrote:
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> You are exactly correct Dillon. But why is our
> series wasting our money for their series when
> they could care less about SN? Doesn't matter the
> reason why it was dual sanctioned. PDGA is better
> in every way in my opinion and I don't think I
> could be convinced otherwise. Except costing less
> what does SN offer that PDGA doesn't?

Then why host events or play events? Just go play pdga events and quit clogging up the forum with the constant Bullchit you keep spouting off about. It old! It tired! It's the same crap! You just reword it......

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Re: Ratings Fee...would you pay?
April 01, 2013 03:20PM
dustin morris Wrote:
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> You are exactly correct Dillon. But why is our
> series wasting our money for their series when
> they could care less about SN? Doesn't matter the
> reason why it was dual sanctioned. PDGA is better
> in every way in my opinion and I don't think I
> could be convinced otherwise. Except costing less
> what does SN offer that PDGA doesn't?

A grassroots series that allows players to compete without having to commit to the PDGA. Some people don't really care about the PDGA, or their ratings. Almost all(?) sports(that I can think of), have a local series that help develop better players for the professional level.

That is all.
Re: Ratings Fee...would you pay?
April 01, 2013 03:23PM
Lol....Grassroots is strictly SN? Think you need to check your sources.
Re: Ratings Fee...would you pay?
April 01, 2013 03:25PM
What are you talking about? Have you ever done any other sport... other than disc golf? Maybe you should pull your foot out of your mouth. Maybe it will uncloud your thinking.

reread Keith's post.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/01/2013 03:26PM by wayneacree.
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